Flight 93

[gumboot]

I think the confusion is pretty easy to clear up.

Early reports revealed that a large piece of engine debris, weighing some 900lbs or similar, was found in a small lake/pond south-east of the crash site.

Conspiracy Theorists looked at Google Earth and concluded that the whole engine must have landed in Indian Lake - the nearest obvious body of water - some two miles from the crash site.

However some quick double-checking would have picked up some errors; firstly, although people described the wreckage as very large and too heavy to move, 900lb is only a fraction of the weight of a jet engine, so clearly cannot have been the entire thing. I think the complete engine weighs on the order of ten tonnes.

Secondly, while Indian Lake is the more obvious body of water, it's far too big to fit the descriptions. However there's a much, much smaller pond closer to the crash site along the same line. If you were just looking on Google Earth it's pretty easy to miss it. This pond is only a few hundred yards from the crash site - a distance that the engine piece would have covered in a few seconds.

So there you have it. A small chunk of one engine was found a few seconds travel from the crash. Nothing notable about that at all.

 

[A W Smith]

body of water 300 yards from flight 93 impact site

 

[TruthersLie]

Hmm. As I say, not very definitive...



Part of one engine. Either.

I'm after something a bit more compelling.

Do you even understand what happens when something moving at a high rate of speed disentigrates? You know, like when an engine with parts with thousands of RPMS strikes the ground. What do you think would happen there?

So again (like most twoofs) you are just JAQing off and asking for information based on personal incredulity. Got it.

 

[twinstead]

Sometimes I think truthers think the plane should have just stuck halfway into the ground like a pen through styrofoam

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Sometimes I think truthers think the plane should have just stuck halfway into the ground like a pen through styrofoam

Or they think that somehow Wile E. Coyote was the mastermind for a cartoon cutout in the Pentagon or just like you said, about a pen stuck in styrofoam.

Truthers have an imagination, they live their imaginations daily.

 

[McHrozni]

Sometimes I think truthers think the plane should have just stuck halfway into the ground like a pen through styrofoam

Well, um, that's what Dylan Avery said at least once. That even if the plane burrowed 60ft into the ground, you'd still have 90ft sticking out.

(may not be an exact quote, it's been a while since I've seen it)

I haven't been able to find the exact video, unfortunately.

McHrozni

 

[Carll68]

YouTube Moron

One question that I don't have clear information about. Might be kicking around, but haven't stumbled across anything definitive...

One engine excavated. Okay.

The other one supposedly found a long way from the impact site.

Correct ?

If so, how far away was it ?

Femr2....ever figure out how to answer the mind numbingly simple physics questions I asked you months and months ago over at that haven for morons known as YouTube? Remember? No? I will refresh your numb memory.

I asked you if you were well versed in physics; since you spew idiotic nonsense relentlessly while questioning the degreed and educated experts conclusions who workd on the NIST report, among others.

You stated you were 'very well versed'

So I proceeded to ask you a simple physics question from a High School level website.

You answered.

Problem was..YOU ANSWERED COMPLETELY WRONG.

All the while you did not even know why you were wrong...and the squirming and topic jumping on your behalf began in earnest. Next thing I knew, you were gone...off making more stupid simulations where all the Kinetic energy from the collapse get put into an energy sink to crush concrete. BRILLIANT.

So, will you finally explain why you lack the ability to answer or understand an 11th grade physics question correctly, but somehow think you have amassed the knowledge to with your university of youtube degree to comprehend and dissect the NIST report...RIZLA..err, umm..I mean FEMR2.

Don't you have ice particles to pretend are UFO's or something?

 

[femr2]

Early reports revealed that a large piece of engine debris, weighing some 900lbs or similar, was found in a small lake/pond south-east of the crash site.

By far the most sensible response so far.

The school playground posts from others are also interesting, but obviously for very different reasons.

So, a ~900lb chunk of engine a distance away.

I assume there is an official report somewhere which would confirm the location that piece was found ? I have not been able to find it if it exists. Anyone know if that can be confirmed ?

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

By far the most sensible response so far.

The school playground posts from others are also interesting, but obviously for very different reasons.

So, a ~900lb chunk of engine a distance away.

I assume there is an official report somewhere which would confirm the location that piece was found ? I have not been able to find it if it exists. Anyone know if that can be confirmed ?

Dude/dudette,

The only thing that matters is that witnesses saw & heard Flight 93 crash. Plus you weren't there the week after, like I was, to see the FBI & the coroner combing through the woods & the hole where Flt. 93 crashed.

So why do you need an official report when the report was made by the 9/11 Commission years ago?

Yes, it's confirmed that it exist. The only problem you have now is to prove that everything is wrong that what the 9/11 Commission (including me) said with evidence to back you up.

 

[dc1971]

There were reports that one of the engines was found (not in tiny pieces) far from the impact site.
.

What reports?

 

[dc1971]

I think the confusion is pretty easy to clear up.

Early reports revealed that a large piece of engine debris, weighing some 900lbs or similar, was found in a small lake/pond south-east of the crash site.

Conspiracy Theorists looked at Google Earth and concluded that the whole engine must have landed in Indian Lake - the nearest obvious body of water - some two miles from the crash site.

However some quick double-checking would have picked up some errors; firstly, although people described the wreckage as very large and too heavy to move, 900lb is only a fraction of the weight of a jet engine, so clearly cannot have been the entire thing. I think the complete engine weighs on the order of ten tonnes.

Secondly, while Indian Lake is the more obvious body of water, it's far too big to fit the descriptions. However there's a much, much smaller pond closer to the crash site along the same line. If you were just looking on Google Earth it's pretty easy to miss it. This pond is only a few hundred yards from the crash site - a distance that the engine piece would have covered in a few seconds.

So there you have it. A small chunk of one engine was found a few seconds travel from the crash. Nothing notable about that at all.

That makes perfect sense, and the map that Smith shows is very definitive. I don't know why femr2 doesn't get it!

 

[twinstead]

I assume there is an official report somewhere which would confirm the location that piece was found ? I have not been able to find it if it exists. Anyone know if that can be confirmed ?

Quit being coy; exactly what should the distribution of debris been from the plane if it had crashed in the manner described in the common narrative of the event, and how does it differ from what the actual distribution of debris was?

 

[femr2]

So why do you need an official report when the report was made by the 9/11 Commission years ago?

The 9/11 Commission Report does not state the location that engine section was found in. It seems obvious to me that it would have been taken out of whatever body of water it ended up in, that location would have been recorded, and it would end up in a report somewhere. The pretty hefty section would then end up in a warehouse and studied, which would also generate documentation.

I'm asking if anyone knows where that documentation is.

 

[BigAl]

The 9/11 Commission Report does not state the location that engine section was found in. It seems obvious to me that it would have been taken out of whatever body of water it ended up in, that location would have been recorded, and it would end up in a report somewhere. The pretty hefty section would then end up in a warehouse and studied, which would also generate documentation.

I'm asking if anyone knows where that documentation is.

What possible answer could change the fact that Flight 93 was hijacked and crashed into that field by 4 or 5 Islamist Arabs?

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

The 9/11 Commission Report does not state the location that engine section was found in. It seems obvious to me that it would have been taken out of whatever body of water it ended up in, that location would have been recorded, and it would end up in a report somewhere. The pretty hefty section would then end up in a warehouse and studied, which would also generate documentation.

I'm asking if anyone knows where that documentation is.

Why does it matter to you when they found 95% of Flight 93? You're not suggesting that they found "plane parts" at Indian Lake are you? I've heard it was paper that was drifting in the air that traveled 1.5 miles to the lake & not plane parts.

Why do you want to focus on something so small that it was already recovered & documented by the FBI, NTSB & Boeing?

You have no evidence of any sort to back up any claim you make. All you want to do is accuse the USAF of something they didn't do. Besides the way genius, the John P. Murtha Airport doesn't have jet fighters, they have Apache Helicopters. So stop trying to press your little fairy story that Flight 93 was "shot down" by imaginary jet fighters. And if you want to go further with the jet fighters they were heading East into the N. Atlantic Ocean & were many miles away to have any affect on Flight 93.

 

[A W Smith]

The 9/11 Commission Report does not state the location that engine section was found in. It seems obvious to me that it would have been taken out of whatever body of water it ended up in, that location would have been recorded, and it would end up in a report somewhere. The pretty hefty section would then end up in a warehouse and studied, which would also generate documentation.

I'm asking if anyone knows where that documentation is.

Why? Do you have any evidence whatsoever that this component CAUSED the crash? Do you have any evidence whatsoever that the crash was even an accident? What does it matter the pattern of debris dispersal from a deliberate flight into the ground act of terrorism?

 

[femr2]

You're not suggesting that they found "plane parts" at Indian Lake are you? I've heard it was paper that was drifting in the air that traveled 1.5 miles to the lake & not plane parts.

I'm not suggesting anything. I made it clear from the initial question that there is conflicting information about the location of the engine. I'm trying to clarify that location.

Isn't that why you post information here, to clarify erronious claims made by others ? Would have thought it would be simply a matter of going, yeah, sure, here's a link to the clear and correct information.

I've tried to find it, but all I get are wildly differing claims by different sets of unofficial bodies.

Why do you want to focus on something so small that it was already recovered & documented by the FBI, NTSB & Boeing?

Where ? I assume that information would be exactly the ticket. What debris found, where. A ~900lb chunk pulled out of a body of water would definitely be worthy of making a note of. I can understand exact location of tiny fragments not being pin-pointed, though a general area (probably gridded) would seem appropriate.

You have no evidence of any sort to back up any claim you make. All you want to do is accuse the USAF of something they didn't do. Besides the way genius, the John P. Murtha Airport doesn't have jet fighters, they have Apache Helicopters. So stop trying to press your little fairy story that Flight 93 was "shot down" by imaginary jet fighters. And if you want to go further with the jet fighters they were heading East into the N. Atlantic Ocean & were many miles away to have any affect on Flight 93.

Eh ? Methinks thou dost presume way too much.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

My answers in bold:

I'm not suggesting anything. I made it clear from the initial question that there is conflicting information about the location of the engine. I'm trying to clarify that location.

The location is 300 yards & is consistant with the flight path. There's nothing "conflicting" about it & admit that you're wrong on many counts.

Isn't that why you post information here, to clarify erronious claims made by others ? Would have thought it would be simply a matter of going, yeah, sure, here's a link to the clear and correct information.

You don't live 20 miles North of Shanksville in Johnstown, PA, do you? No you don't, so what you claim is total fabrication from the Truth Movement.

I've tried to find it, but all I get are wildly differing claims by different sets of unofficial bodies.

"Wild claims" like yours that have nothing, not even a single piece of evidence to confirm your claims?

Where ? I assume that information would be exactly the ticket. What debris found, where. A ~900lb chunk pulled out of a body of water would definitely be worthy of making a note of. I can understand exact location of tiny fragments not being pin-pointed, though a general area (probably gridded) would seem appropriate.

There is no "900 lb. chunk" that was ever recovered in a "body of water". Which ever Truther gave you that retarded information clearly hasn't visited Shanksville, PA.


Eh ? Methinks thou dost presume way too much.

I presume that you have nothing further to offer other than lies & disinformantion from uneducated gullible people who took you for granted.

 

[BigAl]

I'm not suggesting anything. I made it clear from the initial question that there is conflicting information about the location of the engine. I'm trying to clarify that location.

Isn't that why you post information here, to clarify erronious claims made by others ? Would have thought it would be simply a matter of going, yeah, sure, here's a link to the clear and correct information.

I've tried to find it, but all I get are wildly differing claims by different sets of unofficial bodies.

I would think that a 900 pound part starting at about 500MPH could bounce and roll for miles.

So what? What would any answer change in the basic story; Flight 93 was flown into the ground by Islamist hijackers at nearly 500MPH.

 

[femr2]

There is no "900 lb. chunk" that was ever recovered in a "body of water". Whoever gave you that retarded information clearly hasn't visited Shanksville, PA.

Well, that would include gumboot above, which is a bit rude/naive of you perhaps ?

It's becoming clear that no-one actually has the information I've been looking for.

The most sensible option would seem to be as in the linked post above, but obviously confirmation would be necessary.

By all means carry on with affronted tones. I'll look forward to someone actually posting the confirmed and correct information, most preferrably from an appropriate official source.