Flight 93

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

According to the Truth Movement, Flight 93 was "shot down" by a "jet fighter". That theory is just rediculas because I live no more than 20 miles North of Shanksville, PA. The John P. Murtha Airport, which is located at Johnstown, PA, only has Apache Helicopters & no jet fighters. When I woke up that September morning I only heard a large low flying commercial jet and I didn't hear anything after that, if indeed there was a jet fighter I would've heard it flying low too. In my mind I thought it was a plane going to land at the airport cause I lived near the airport at that time. Then I heard on the local news that a plane had crashed in Shanksville.

Also another silly theory that's going around is that they planted plane parts in 1994 & that a hole aleady existed there. At the time in 1994, the place where Flight 93 crashed on 9/11/2001, it was an abandoned strip mine. Filled with ditches where the excavators dug when the strip mine was still open. So to say that a hole existed & that they planted parts in 1994 is rediculas.

Truthers can say all kinds of things about Flight 93, but they never really lived near Shanksville on 9/11.

And if any Truther wishes to challenge me they can do so, only if they have enough evidence to counter my statement.

 

[femr2]

One question that I don't have clear information about. Might be kicking around, but haven't stumbled across anything definitive...

One engine excavated. Okay.

The other one supposedly found a long way from the impact site.

Correct ?

If so, how far away was it ?

 

[Thunder]

If so, how far away was it ?

did you look it up?

 

[femr2]

did you look it up?

Of course, but there's conflicting information kicking around.

Is there a definitive value ?

 

[Dave Rogers]

One engine excavated. Okay.

The other one supposedly found a long way from the impact site.

Correct ?

If so, how far away was it ?

About 300 yards in the direction of travel at the point of impact.

http://www.911myths.com/html/missing_engine.html

Not very far considering the speed of impact, and certainly in no way suggestive of a mid-air breakup.

Dave

 

[femr2]

About 300 yards in the direction of travel at the point of impact.

http://www.911myths.com/html/missing_engine.html

Not very far considering the speed of impact, and certainly in no way suggestive of a mid-air breakup.

Dave

Hmm. As I say, not very definitive...

a fan from one of the engines was recovered in a catchment basin, downhill from the crash site. Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south

Part of one engine. Either.

I'm after something a bit more compelling.

 

[BigAl]

Hmm. As I say, not very definitive...



Part of one engine. Either.

I'm after something a bit more compelling.

What is your point given that 95% of the plane was recovered atthe crash site along with and body parts that DNA identified as all the passengers and crew?

 

[femr2]

What is your point given that 95% of the plane was recovered atthe crash site along with and body parts that DNA identified as all the passengers and crew?

I'm not asking about other parts of the plane, passengers, or whatever else.

There were reports that one of the engines was found (not in tiny pieces) far from the impact site.

Is there specific information which shows those reports to be untrue ?

If there's nothing definitive, no problem. Remains an open book until there is.

 

[DavidJames]

I'm not asking about other parts of the plane, passengers, or whatever else.

There were reports that one of the engines was found (not in tiny pieces) far from the impact site.

Is there specific information which shows those reports to be untrue ?

If there's nothing definitive, no problem. Remains an open book until there is.

um, no. You don't get to say "There were reports" and then ask others to show it's untrue.

YOU need to show the evidence. Please provide the evidence for your claims or go away.

 

[Jackanory]

Hmm. As I say, not very definitive...



Part of one engine. Either.

I'm after something a bit more compelling.

Compelling ....mmmmmmmmmmmm 19 terrorists hyjacked...................

Just a heads up folks.

Femr2 is a confused no planer/remote controlled missile truther. He would send JSTygers here to do his dirty work. He wont say it outright but will JAQ off given the chance. He has posted numerous videos of 911 on youtube. He rehashed the 'POD' theory. He was in cahutes with the PfT tree house crew who suggested that flight 175 missed the WTC and was still flying an hour later etc etc.

He wont permit responses to his videos on youtube unless you agree with his conclusions. Let the comedy and JAQing off begin.

 

[femr2]

um, no. You don't get to say "There were reports" and then ask others to show it's untrue.

YOU need to show the evidence. Please provide the evidence for your claims or go away.

And so it begins.

I'll happily go away and have a look back here once in a while to see if anyone refutes the very commonly bounced-around claim.

I guess there is no definitive *debunk*. Fine.

Open book then.

 

[twinstead]

And so it begins.

I'll happily go away and have a look back here once in a while to see if anyone refutes the very commonly bounced-around claim.

I guess there is no definitive *debunk*. Fine.

Open book then.

If by "IT" you mean people actually asking for evidence to support claims then yes, "IT" begins.

 

[DavidJames]

And so it begins.

I'll happily go away and have a look back here once in a while to see if anyone refutes the very commonly bounced-around claim.

I guess there is no definitive *debunk*. Fine.

Open book then.

There are reports that you download child pornography.

Is there specific information which shows those reports to be untrue ?

See how it works?

Now seriously, go away until you learn how to think.

 

[BigAl]

I'm not asking about other parts of the plane, passengers, or whatever else.

There were reports that one of the engines was found (not in tiny pieces) far from the impact site.

Is there specific information which shows those reports to be untrue ?

So what?

Given that the plane was identified by the recovery of 95% of the craft and body parts that identified all the passengers and crew, what could the location of an engine part possibly change in the basic conclusion; Flight 93 crashed into that cornfield in Shanksville.

 

[Jackanory]

If by "IT" you mean people actually asking for evidence to support claims then yes, "IT" begins.

Femr2 will confuse you.

He is adamantly none commital yet will post videos that clearly imply an inside job. He just wants answers but wont take the time to discuss them unless you give him the right ones........inside jobby ones.

Do we really need to discuss anything with someone who actually posts on youtube and still believes that the 'PODS' were actually large explosive devices placed by the gubmint. The silly begins again.

Toffee popcorn anyone.

 

[femr2]

See how it works?

Of course I do, and there must be rules here to stop you making such statements.

The way it works is...don't ask awkward questions. The merry mob of rabbid JREF'ers will turn up, throw ridiculous insults and patent lies at the individual, and brush away the very simple and particularly polite question.

Shame on you.

There's no point citing specific places where the claims are made. I don't belive any of them to be definitive or based on complete fact. That's the whole point of the question. I don't know the answer. Asking if there is a definitive answer seems very reasonable to me.

You seem not to agree. Fine. Way to earn respect eh.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Of course, but there's conflicting information kicking around.

Is there a definitive value ?

There's nothing conflicting about real world physics.

 

[BigAl]

There's no point citing specific places where the claims are made. I don't belive any of them to be definitive or based on complete fact. That's the whole point of the question. I don't know the answer. Asking if there is a definitive answer seems very reasonable to me.

The definitive answer is that Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville as a result of a hijacking by by 4 or 5 (i don't recall) Islamist Arabs.

 

[Jackanory]

Of course I do, and there must be rules here to stop you making such statements.

The way it works is...don't ask awkward questions. The merry mob of rabbid JREF'ers will turn up, throw ridiculous insults and patent lies at the individual, and brush away the very simple and particularly polite question.

Shame on you.

There's no point citing specific places where the claims are made. I don't belive any of them to be definitive or based on complete fact. That's the whole point of the question. I don't know the answer. Asking if there is a definitive answer seems very reasonable to me.

You seem not to agree. Fine. Way to earn respect eh.

Respect has nothing to do with it! Honesty and openess would help though.

Fortunately here at JREF we actually get the opportunity to say what we believe. As long as it is on topic and doesnt break the rules.

The same can not be said for posting on your videos hey. Your own moderating techniques on youtube are quite the opposite. You abuse and delete anyone who dares question your dillusions. You control the arguement on youtube. Not here. Thats why you rarely post here yet you can produce your own videos and models to post to the gullible on youtube. Why is that? Hypocricy at its best. You also track URL's and ISPL at your web site dont you?

Care to enlighten us on your theories on 911 and your proof before we begin pointing you in the right direction or are you just here to JAQ off?

 

[DavidJames]

Of course I do, and there must be rules here to stop you making such statements.

Of really, are you offended that I suggested you did something wrong? Can't you see that's exactly what you are doing? I'm guessing you can't, but I could be wrong.

The way it works is...don't ask awkward questions. The merry mob of rabbid JREF'ers will turn up, throw ridiculous insults and patent lies at the individual, and brush away the very simple and particularly polite question.

Hey, I'm just asking questions CT boy. Can't take the heat go back to the playground.

Shame on you.

Panties all bunched up? Shame on you for posting on skeptics forum without possessing a shred of critical thinking skills. If you aren't up to it, please go away.

There's no point citing specific places where the claims are made. I don't belive any of them to be definitive or based on complete fact. That's the whole point of the question. I don't know the answer. Asking if there is a definitive answer seems very reasonable to me.

There is a lesson there for you. If you read something that make claims and doesn't provide evidence, you have some options. You could ignore it, you could demand they provide evidence or you could do your own research. The childs approach is to go ask the other parent. You choose the childs approach.

You seem not to agree. Fine. Way to earn respect eh.

Sorry, you don't deserve a shred of respect. You lost it when you proved you aren't capable of thinking.