Flight 77 flight path

[mudlark]

It's been discussed over literally a thousand pages of the Forum.

Yes, he has been debunked. This tiny part of his recollection conflicts with the RADAR records of the flight, the FDR records, the damage path, and a majority of eyewitnesses -- including Mr. Lagasse himself, who saw the impact. The fine details are also inconsistent in several other respects (as pointed out even by other truthers). Furthermore, he does not support the conspiracy theories himself.

Bottom line, he is mistaken about the aircraft's precise location prior to impact. It happens. This is only interesting if you're desperate for an "anomaly" to bolster a preconceived opinion.

´This tiny part of his recollection´ has major implications wouldn´t you say?
His associate Brooks draws the exact same flightpath as him as pointed out in the video linked to.
The RADES data, FDR data and damage consistent with the proposed SOC flightpath are at odds with 99% of witness testimony who were in an actual position to see the final moments of the flightpath within the basin of land from the Navy Annex to the Pentagon facade.
The exception being Lloyd England

There are also serious questions raised as to the validity of the RADES/FDR Data here so I´d say this was far from contradictory evidence.

If Lagasse did in fact see an ´impact´ from where he was how can we question his testimony to seeing which side of the Citgo Gas Station he saw the plane on?

¨Obviously what I saw happened, therefore the conclusions made by people who didnt see it can be flawed...I accept the fact that there can be miscalculations on my part, but NOT whether or not the plane was on the North or South side of the gas station."

~Sgt William Lagasse after watching The PentaCon and responding to the ASCE

He is adamant in his testimony.

He is backed up by credible witnesses in the ANC area.

These 4 ANC witnesses in the video describe the approach as being over the right hand side of the Annex ´in a bank´.
Another ANC witness is George Aman who in his original CMH interview says

The plane flies right over the parking lot here

He also describes the bank mentioned by the other ANC witnesses.

Sean Boger supports Laggasse´s testimony from yet another angle. Actually on the Pentagon grounds at the heliport.

¨It would be on my right or the gas station´s left. If I´m looking out my window
Because I´m looking toward the gas station...it would be on my right hand side.¨

¨As he was coming towards me it just seemed like he was tilting the aircraft to
his right ¨

Or Levi Stephens?

He said repeatedly that it was on the "right" of the station or that it would be on his "left" if he was at the station facing the Pentagon.

He further confirmed by saying that it was on the "Arlington Cemetery" side of the gas station.

Robert Turcios?

They all put the plane NOC. They all had the best view. Most importantly they back up Lagasse´s testimony.
So before we jump ahead to any conclusions as to what his placement of the plane implicates,I believe the original poster´s question was ´has Lagasse´s testimony been debunked´

Opinions and possible explanations as to how he was mistaken linked to as a response are exactly that. Opinions.
He is supported by corraborrative testimony.
The accusation that he confused ´left´ with ´right´ is absurd and contradicted by no other witness. He saw it to his left.

 

[Baylor]

We've been through this a thousand times. Ranke's too dumb to realize he put himself in a lose-lose situation, and apparently you are too.

 

[The Big Dog]

That is a huge ****ing lie. http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/04/911-and-pentagon-attack-what.html

Oh boy, another completely brain washed CITpleton.

Tell Craig and the Buffet Slayer to release their unedited footage, like they promised,

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[Mr.Herbert]

Mudlark? Aldo? Turbofan? Bobby? Ranke? Whatever your name is today. We have been over this crap for years. Your pathetic flyover theory is no longer laughable - it's sad.

Read a couple books related to the Pentagon, then come back to us and learn how to have an adult discussion. Until then, in addition to the books, I suggest you read the countless threads already dedicated to the horse manure that is spread by Balsamo and Ranke.

 

[Reheat]

Another one?

 

[mudlark]

Originally Posted by tj15
There are about 8 people in that video that think the plane was north of citco. How are they all mistaken?

This is actually the first time I have looked into this flight path stuff, so my questions may be stupid.
He agrees Flight 77 impacted the Pentagon.

The real interviews are right after 911, not years later.
Quote:


http://memory.loc.gov/learn/collecti...1/history.html

CIT witnesses contradicting every thing they imply.

American Airlines Flight 77 from Washington-Dulles International Airport crashed into the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m. William Lagasse, Chadwick Brooks, and Donald Brennan were Pentagon police officers on duty at the time of the attack. Lagasse was in the process of refueling his police car when the American Airliner flew past him so low that its wind blast knocked him into his vehicle. In an interview conducted in December 2001 , Lagasse described the secondary explosions and the search and recovery of injured Pentagon personnel. Brooks saw the hijacked plane clip lampposts and nosedive into the Pentagon and described the ensuing scenes of chaos in his interview, taped November 25, 2001.

What did CIT actually ´contradict´?
Their questions weren´t leading and the officers were very careful about what they were saying.
Yes they believed the official story but were visibly taken aback when they realised the implications of their interview.
The original interview (LOC) did not ask him exactly where they saw the plane. This was the main difference in the CIT and LOC questions.
Brooks admitted in the CIT interview that he did NOT see the lightpoles being struck.

Both were ´real´ interviews.

 

[The Big Dog]

What did CIT actually ´contradict´?
Their questions weren´t leading and the officers were very careful about what they were saying.
Yes they believed the official story but were visibly taken aback when they realised the implications of their interview.
The original interview (LOC) did not ask him exactly where they saw the plane. This was the main difference in the CIT and LOC questions.
Brooks admitted in the CIT interview that he did NOT see the lightpoles being struck.

Both were ´real´ interviews.

Yeah, yeah, and Aldo is just big boned.

Tell the Citiots to torrent their raw footage, or to shut up.

 

[mudlark]

That is a huge farking lie. http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/04/911-and-pentagon-attack-what.html

Oh boy, another completely brain washed CITpleton.

Tell Craig and the Buffet Slayer to release their unedited footage, like they promised, or until then STFU.

You do know that Mickey Bell is included on that list? Among a host of othersecond hand media quotes that have been debunked.
Anonymous witnesses?
Try harder.

 

[mudlark]

Mudlark? Aldo? Turbofan? Bobby? Ranke? Whatever your name is today. We have been over this crap for years. Your pathetic flyover theory is no longer laughable - it's sad.

Read a couple books related to the Pentagon, then come back to us and learn how to have an adult discussion. Until then, in addition to the books, I suggest you read the countless threads already dedicated to the horse manure that is spread by Balsamo and Ranke.

Still waiting on somebody answering my post.
I appear to be the only one having an ´adult discussion´ at the minute.

 

[The Big Dog]

You do know that Mickey Bell is included on that list? Among a host of othersecond hand media quotes that have been debunked.
Anonymous witnesses?
Try harder.

Yeah, what do you expect from a Truther list, huh?

Dear me, I do note that you ignore, lets pick one..... Frank Probst... Have at it.

Or don't, Fat Aldo never would.

Just tell them to release their raw videos and to shut up in the meantime, kthxbye.

 

[Baylor]

South of Citgo Proof

South of Citgo Proof

South of Citgo Proof

South of Citgo Proof

 

[Baylor]

South of Citgo Proof

 

[mudlark]

George Aman is the best light pole witness, IMO

How is that physically possible when he claimed the plane flew over the parking lot? At a bank?

 

[Baylor]

Did the plane fly over the pentagon? Let's see....



Nope.

 

[mudlark]

Yeah, what do you expect from a Truther list, huh?

Dear me, I do note that you ignore, lets pick one..... Frank Probst... Have at it.

Or don't, Fat Aldo never would.

Just tell them to release their raw videos and to shut up in the meantime, kthxbye.

The ASCE report quotes Probst as approaching the heliport, saw the plane come over the Annex and heading ´straight for´ him.
He was actually on the footpath that runs parallel to Route 27 along the Pentagon lawn.
He never mentioned any major deviances in the plane´s flightpath which would have been necessary to manouevre into the lightpole, low level trajectory necessary.
Boger, Christine Peterson, Levi Stephenson, Penny Elgas, Donald Bouchoux and even Steve Riskus narrow the entry point onto route 27 from the direction of the Citgo. Well off the trajectory necessary to make Probst a southside witness.
Are you trying to say that the plane could physically have reached lightpole 1 from Citgo?
Who witnessed this zig-zag pattern?

 

[mudlark]

South of Citgo Proof
[qimg]http://www.911myths.com/images/6/64/Awmap.png[/qimg]

The problem with this is that by the time the NOC had converged with SOC the plane´s entrance onto the lawn were a question of metres apart.
How does this diagram fit with Supelveda and Liebner´s testimonies?
Neither mentioned this low and level approach. Neither mentioned the white plume either in the gatecam footage yo offered as proof.
These two firemen ran for their lives, Wallace diving under the fire engine.
He admits he never saw an impact. He saw it on the lawn for a split second.
This does not prove SOC.
FDR/RADES data are proof? Read my first post. This is FAR from concrete evidence.
You guys are doing well on avoiding the ´debunking´ of Lagasse and the NOC witnesses.

 

[mudlark]

The shadow? Explain.

 

[TexasJack]

These are the legitimate questions Mudlark promised us?

 

[beachnut]

´... The RADES data, FDR data and damage consistent with the proposed SOC flightpath are at odds with 99% of witness testimony who were in an actual position to see the final moments of the flightpath within the basin of land from the Navy Annex to the Pentagon facade.
...

Pure poppycock.

The FDR has the exact true track course, 61.5 degree that lines up with the lamppost hits, and the impact damage on the Pentagon.

The witnesses all agree the lampposts were hit and that flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Please show me the testimony from 2001 and the first part of 2002 that supports your delusion; what is your delusion again. Your all important what happen.

What hit the Pentagon? BTW, the FDR and the DNA was found in the Pentagon and no one planted them.

Zero evidence is your sad reality.

 

[The Big Dog]

The ASCE report quotes Probst as approaching the heliport, saw the plane come over the Annex and heading ´straight for´ him.
He was actually on the footpath that runs parallel to Route 27 along the Pentagon lawn.
He never mentioned any major deviances in the plane´s flightpath which would have been necessary to manouevre into the lightpole, low level trajectory necessary.
Boger, Christine Peterson, Levi Stephenson, Penny Elgas, Donald Bouchoux and even Steve Riskus narrow the entry point onto route 27 from the direction of the Citgo. Well off the trajectory necessary to make Probst a southside witness.
Are you trying to say that the plane could physically have reached lightpole 1 from Citgo?
Who witnessed this zig-zag pattern?

Pure unadulterated CIT garbage. Who wrote this garbage originally, SPreston? What a joke. Basically calling Probst a liar because he does not fit in with the cult. Seriously, that is how the freaks hand wave away his testimony: he is not consistent with the others so he is a liar. And then CIT lies, and lies that no one contradicts them. And the cult swallows up these lies like Aldo on free pancake night.

Why do you come here and repeat Fat Aldo and Peter Pan's lies? Don't you have marching orders to get this earth shattering news out to the media??? Say, how is that National Security Alert coming? Utter failure or a Aldo's Wicker Chair style failure?

Release the raw tapes or shut the **** up.