DGM
Skeptic not Atheist
The fact that the plane and all it's occupants were found inside the building would make this whole "flight path" argument moot. Would it not?
Flight 77 flight path
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Like I said, call me whatever you want. I don't care. I know what I am.
I would like to thank all the posters here who have provided links and answers to my questions.
Audible Click
The gap in the plot
My assement too. Same modality as we've seen time and time again.
I'm simply trying to debunk this theory about eyewitnesses seeing a plane on the north side of the citgo gas station. That's all... And somehow that makes me a truther.
Note that I never said that I think something other than the official story (I don't care if it sounds like truther language) happened.
Audible Click
The gap in the plot
It's your method. There is a search function on this board yet you come here wanting people to spoon feed the liinks to you.
Then ignore my posts.
TruthersLie
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see.. there is no such thing as the "official story."
There is a shared narrative of which tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands) witnessed live and in person, which was shaped by the billions who have now seen the footage.
this shared narrative was shaped by the investigations which followed (the dozen or so), which supplied overwhelming evidence that 19 wacko's hijacked the 4 jets and flew them into 3 buildings and a field.
Try using the search function... it has most of what you are after. Or use Google and then put in the magic word after the twoof.... Debunked and look at what comes up.
There is a shared narrative of which tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands) witnessed live and in person, which was shaped by the billions who have now seen the footage.
this shared narrative was shaped by the investigations which followed (the dozen or so), which supplied overwhelming evidence that 19 wacko's hijacked the 4 jets and flew them into 3 buildings and a field.
Try using the search function... it has most of what you are after. Or use Google and then put in the magic word after the twoof.... Debunked and look at what comes up.
DGM
Skeptic not Atheist
I never claimed you were a "truther". I was just stating a simple fact that makes their whole argument (and thus your question) pointless. The entire body of physical evidence negates the (notoriously unreliable) memories of a few people. Do you see what I mean?
I know. And I agree with what I call the "official story." I'm just looking for a debunking of this flight 77 flight path theory. Don't respond to my post if it is in the search function.
I didn't mean that you called me a truther... Others on this thread think I am. Sorry for the confusion.
And yes, I agree that question is pointless when looking at the physical evidence. I'm just trying to get a further understanding of how those witnesses could have been mistaken on the path of flight 77.
defaultdotxbe
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you dont seem to be as interested in reading the links people give you as you are in asking "well how could they all the be mistaken" so that tends to set off some BS alarms around here, plus there have been a lot of people coming here asking to debunk something, or "just asking questions" (JAQing) and then turned out to be full-on truthers with all their opions decided before registering, so folks here can be suspicious
FWIW i dont think you are a truther, youve been registered over a year and a half, and thats a pretty long latent period for a troll, im just trying to explain why others have doubts
on topic: everything thats been posted is pretty much all you need (more in fact) and yes, people can be mistaken even to the point of which direction they were looking, especially when interviewed by people who have already decided what direction they were looking
also, we dont know how edited the interviews are, craig and aldo were supposed to release the "researchers edition" of their little video, with uncut interviews, years ago, i cant imagine why they havent
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DGM
Skeptic not Atheist
No problem!
If you interview a bunch of people and only publish the interviews that support your view you can (attempt) make a case for anything. The human recollection is an unreliable thing that is subject to sway (for lack of a better word) by the interviewer. That's why real investigators only use eye witnesses to bolster physical evidence, not the other way around.
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I have been looking into 9/11 off and on for a little while now and I usually come here with questions I might have.you dont seem to be as interested in reading the links people give you as you are in asking "well how could they all the be mistaken" so that tends to set off some BS alarms around here, plus there have been a lot of people coming here asking to debunk something, or "just asking questions" (JAQing) and then turned out to be full-on truthers with all their opions decided before registering, so folks here can be suspicious
FWIW i dont think you are a truther, youve been registered over a year and a half, and thats a pretty long latent period for a troll, im just trying to explain why others have doubts
on topic: everything thats been posted is pretty much all you need (more in fact) and yes, people can be mistaken even to the point of which direction they were looking, especially when interviewed by people who have already decided what direction they were looking
also, we dont know how edited the interviews are, craig and aldo were supposed to release the "researchers edition" of their little video, with uncut interviews, years ago, i cant imagine why they havent
I think I have 2 other threads that I started recently... Check those out. I'm not a truther.
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Yet, curiously you seem to focus on the some of the most ridiculous truther theories that are out there, without applying any critical thinking skills to them before you bring them here.
Exactly.
Approximately 2% +/- 1.4% of people in the USA believe they have been abducted by aliens personally.
Compared to that, approximately 7% of witnesses misunderstanding / misremembering the actual track of the aircraft is not even faintly remarkable.
This is what passes for "evidence" to the Truthers. They really, truly have absolutely nothing.
A W Smith
Philosopher
and click on the "more witnesses' link
http://web.archive.org/web/20040914075715/www.dragonslair.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/77/pole_reports.htm
bottom of that page is this link to "full witness compendium'
http://web.archive.org/web/20021216080026/www.dragonslair.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/77/witnesses.html
Like what? The last three threads I created: One was about the Barbara Olsen call. One was a challenge to truthers here to produce a video with audio of explosions. And this thread.
I thought the two threads I had questions in were valid. And never did I ever agree with the truther side of the questions I asked.
tsig
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Because they're human not impersonal recording machines.
DGM
Skeptic not Atheist
How true!
One experiment I like to do with my scouts (I'm a boy scout leader
) is to look at the moon when it's low on the horizon and compare it to what it looks like high in the sky. Low it looks much bigger but. if you use some sort of gage (I tell them to use their thumb) you find it's the same size. The mind is easily fooled by less than obvious distractions.Crazytimes
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I have a question for the OPer. If you were standing anywhere near the pentagon and a plane flew at over 500 mph at a low altitude, how easily do you think you could place where the plane is/was ? Unless you knew that is was coming and from where, there is no way you could get a good idea of where it is/was.