You're the one who needs to backup and read. I didn't offer 800 up as anything. Someone else brought it up and asked me and I proved there is way more on 800 then there is on 175.
YOU were the one claiming there was more on it than 175, and now YOU are the one avoiding it. So we can therefore conclude using your logic that there is no proof that flight 800 was reconstructed. You did not prove it at all. Please show some proof.
Video doesn't identify the plane. It's Boeing that disputes the speed in the OP. Did you listen to it?
You mean the ones with the stolen identification? Apparently Ghosts can fly better too.
Controlling the plane at that speed is according to Boeing. But I guess you know better. This site is full of people who think they know better then the experts.
Why are you not able to point to the identification of flight 175?
Wrong, Boeing did not challenge the speed, you have big problems understanding reality and authority. Boeing and the NTSB verified flight 175 was crashed into the WTC. Sorry, but there are official paper work, and you have not even found it yet. Good luck finding stuff that you pay for, if you pay US taxes. Sad the drones of 9/11 truth have lied to you.
The terrorist flew the jets into buildings and the ground, not very hard to do. Again mislead by drones from 9/11 truth, you should try finding real experts and not nuts and idiots who make up lies like p4t.
No, controlling the planes was easy, as seen on 9/11. Please pay attention and watch the video. I flew Boeing jets. The new ones are easy to fly, and you can see how, even under an over speed, they fly pretty good. Please try to remember the over speed only lasted 10 to 20 seconds. Even I have accidentally been over the "official speed" for a few seconds; the plane flew great.
Yes I can Identify flight 175, you and 9/11 truth are unable. Too bad you are unable to find evidence; 9/11 truth has the same problem.
Please supply some facts to prove me wrong. Facts, not bs junk from 9/11 truth.
Video doesn't identify the plane. It's Boeing that disputes the speed in the OP. Did you listen to it?
You mean the ones with the stolen identification? Apparently Ghosts can fly better too.
Controlling the plane at that speed is according to Boeing. But I guess you know better. This site is full of people who think they know better then the experts.
Why are you not able to point to the identification of flight 175?
Here's where you are lying. It's not boeings position at all. Why are you not able to read any of the posts where people have listed all the proof of flight 175? Why do you continue to play childish games to get attention?
Here's where you are lying. It's not boeings position at all. Why are you not able to read any of the posts where people have listed all the proof of flight 175? Why do you continue to play childish games to get attention?
but more importantly, Zen is basing the claim on a spokesperson from Boeing who doesn't know the first things about the planes in any technical sense what so ever and just simply agrees with him because as she admits, she has no idea. He also uses the claim that its fastest speed is 530mph at high altitude. But thats simply its normal cruising speed at that height. Zen goes beyond childish nit picking and is simply being outright dishonest here to the point that I consider him to be an outright liar in that his intent is clearly to mislead people intentionally. You can call it what you want, but it's the same thing.
Can a 767 fly at 500mph at 700ft? Maybe not. But there's a big difference between a 767 flying level at that speed and a 767 coming from a steep dive and building up such speed before impacting the building. o course Zen is too dishonest to bring this up.
And the fact that his other source is claiming a 767 would shake itself to pieces at 250mph? That alone proves the guy is a nut case. Anyone with or without any expertise knows this claim is 100% completely false. And we have all seen plenty of footage of these planes doing more than that speed at even lower altitudes. Those videos alone prove this guy a fraud. Him claiming the average speed as being less than the maximum speed proves he is a fraud.
Where it gets even better is that the shaker system which they like to play up as being some major part of the propulsion or something is simply a stall warning system. Funny how all the supposed whistle blowers are always people who aren't really people who have much expertise yet pretend to, right Mr Kevin Ryan?
Another great example is that egypt crash where the pilot committed suicide by diving the plane into the ground. The plane went above Mach 1 and it didn't break apart into pieces. That as well proves that Zen and his source are frauds.
Then lets look at another point of Zens. It's impossible to him according to his crackpot source for a 767 to have done that maneuver. Yet when pointed out that the plane hitting the WTC is clearly identified as a 767, his argument is that it could simply be a different 767 than flight 175. Forget about how completely absurd his claim is, and think about his logic here. Apaarantly 503mph is too fast for flight 175 to handle without braking up (which would be at 220mph if you can say that without laughing) but if it's a 767 that isn't flight 175, it's possible. Or he could be thinking that its some other plane all together that just happens to have the same exact body shape and dimensions as a 767-200 in which case it wouldn't matter anymore.
So I think it's a pretty safe bet that Zen is simply here to get attention.
Oh and just to add a touch more clarity. While the "shaker" may sound like it implies some kind of mechanism, that involved a plane shaking apart at dangerous speeds or something, this engineer Zen looks up to designed a system that makes the yoke stick shake when the stall warning goes off. So please don't be confused that they guy has some kind of expertise in the flying mechanics of a plane.
I'm not trying to prove anything to you or anyone else. I never claimed there was no flight 175 or people who were on it. You claimed there is evidence flight 175 was positively identified to be the object that flew into the tower I'm claiming it's just an assumption.
So now you're misrepresenting my position to try and cover up for the fact that you have no evidence? I made no claims about flight 175. I challenged you to prove to me that this "tower", that flight 175 did or didn't fly into, ever existed. As far as I'm concerned your "tower" is just an assumption until you provide some proof.
Zen also has no idea how the Serial Numbers are attached to the aircraft parts and how the majority could actually have been destroyed or been knocked off the parts
He quoted someone (another 911 kook expert)who said that this was impossible, unfortunately this is not impossible so the person he quoted is lying or mistaken
He also avoids any questions about how an aircraft in a dive will fly faster than straight and level because this destroys the point he made in the OP
There are a multitiude of ex and present aircraft technicians, engineers and pilots on here who he thinks are lying to protect the official story and he will use fake and incompetant internet posters (all 911 kooks) to back him up when he does not understand himself what he is talking about
Video doesn't identify the plane. It's Boeing that disputes the speed in the OP. Did you listen to it?
Controlling the plane at that speed is according to Boeing. But I guess you know better. This site is full of people who think they know better then the experts.
No it isn't. Prove it was Boeing that an emotionally disturbed Canadian who was arrested for throwing rocks at a Masons lodge called. Anyone can fake a phone call.
Balls in your court sunshine. Oops looks like the evidence in your OP is questionable. There goes your thread.
Actually, it's likely not fake(by normal standards of evidence, not Zens standards). The man who Zs89 claims to be "Boeing" is a actualy a retiredsoftware engineer named Joesph Keith. Well, so much for this fellow being an expert on aerodynamics, but thats not the worst part - he's a "no planer" and member of a 9/11 tw00f group.
Also, I don't think he is referring to the stall warning system. One, as a software engineer, he wouldn't be designing a system which was no software. Secondly, apparently this is some type of airframe testing system which Boeing used on the test vehicles since he goes on about resonant frequencies.....personally, I think he's a fraud. See below.....
Joseph Keith: "Well, according to the Boeing experts, or the Boeing people themselves - the engineering department - the plane maxes out, the specs on the plane, the power plant will max out at 700 feet altitude at 330 mph. In other words, it can't fly that fast. And the plane will begin to shake itself apart at about 220 mph at that altitude."
The powerplant will max out at 700 ft at 330 mph? This isn't even wrong, it's moronic gibberish. The plane will shake itself apart at 220 mph? No one who knows even the first thing about aviation would ever claim this. Okay, V2, which is the climbout speed(which is reached just as the wings have sufficent lift to get the plane off the runway), is around 205 mph(175 knots) for a loaded 767. Speaking of the "shaker system" - what's worse is that any 767 doing 190kts(220 mph), is pretty close to falling out of the sky if it doesn't have at least 1 unit of flaps lowered.
ETA: I still can't get over this idiocy. The above is kinda like saying that the engine in your car will max out at 40 mph and that you car will go out of control at 30 mph. The quote is that stupid. Where is the Stundie thread?
Zensmack, here is your moment of Zen. A 757 doing 300+ kts clearly below 700 feet. Engines still running, plane isn't being violently shaken apart.
Doesn't this make you wonder about the expertise of your expert?
YOU were the one claiming there was more on it than 175, and now YOU are the one avoiding it. So we can therefore conclude using your logic that there is no proof that flight 800 was reconstructed. You did not prove it at all. Please show some proof.
I'd also like to see some evidence. We can talk about proof after he at least posts some evidence, so far he has none. I'd like to see just one serial number and the maintenance records showing it came from 800. There must also be evidence that it did, in fact, come from flight 800 and wasn't planted or faked....that means chain of custody records along with any evidence that those were not faked as well.
Yes I agree, and Zen was also being dishonest in his OP by quoting an initial NIST report that used the early velocity estimates from the FEMA investigation.
Subsequent analysis by NIST in NCSTAR 1-5A estimated the impact velocities at 466mph +/- 34mph for WTC 1 and 545mph +/- 18mph for WTC 2, not 590mph. Although there are a number of things that could have contributed to the difference in velocity between Flight 11 and 175 the more aggressive dive in approach of Flight 175 would have been a significant factor.
Where it gets even better is that the shaker system which they like to play up as being some major part of the propulsion or something is simply a stall warning system.
I don't think he was talking about the stall warning where it shakes the pilot's controls. He was talking about the testing where they put accelerometers all over the plane, then "twang" it, then look at the various modes of vibration of the airframe.
He might have had something to do with this testing, but I'm sure there are lots of people who play minor roles without really understanding the physics.
YOU were the one claiming there was more on it than 175, and now YOU are the one avoiding it. So we can therefore conclude using your logic that there is no proof that flight 800 was reconstructed. You did not prove it at all. Please show some proof.
And I still claim it but I wasn't the one who brought it up. The only reason anyone wants to talk about 800 or DNA of passengers is because they have nothing to prove the identification of what hit the tower or that a 767 can go the speeds and perform the maneuvers claimed in the official version without falling out of the sky never mind doing all this while being controlled by an amateur pilot who's identity can't even be confirmed.
If you want to dispute any of the evidence about 800 that it is real then go ahead. Real or not it's still more then anyone has on 175 and that’s saying a lot considering that some people still dispute the findings of the 800 investigation.
And I still claim it but I wasn't the one who brought it up. The only reason anyone wants to talk about 800 or DNA of passengers is because they have nothing to prove the identification of what hit the tower
Steady as a rock! According to Zen and his loony sources the plane should have been on the verge of falling apart at that speed and altitude.
This thread is simply a product of agenda driven loons taking the normal operational performance figures of a given airliner and then using it to try and cast doubt into the minds of the gullible fools that what hit the South Tower could not have been Flight 175.
Unfortunately for Zen we are not gullible fools and know full well that there is nothing even remotely remarkable about the velocity of Flight 175 as it hit the South Tower.
Actually, it's likely not fake(by normal standards of evidence, not Zens standards). The man who Zs89 claims to be "Boeing" is a actualy a retiredsoftware engineer named Joesph Keith. Well, so much for this fellow being an expert on aerodynamics, but thats not the worst part - he's a "no planer" and member of a 9/11 tw00f group.
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