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Fire and Steel

Newtons Bit said:
Architects are just exterior designers as far as skyscrapers are concerned anyways.
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rwguinn said:
I always thought that they were like the "Designers" (As opposed to design engineers) who are always wanting to hang parasitic weight and "look good" "pretty stuff" on my fully-functional structure...:D:D:D:boxedin:
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As someone who has to work in buildings designed by architects, could I ask what y'all have against closets? And cabinets?
 
Elizabeth I said:
As someone who has to work in buildings designed by architects, could I ask what y'all have against closets? And cabinets?
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Speak to the quantity surveyors and clients. They're the ones that always decide to omit them.......

:eye-poppi
 
bofors said:
I am here to explain to people what happend at the WTC buildings. Furthermore, since you are here, I want to try to stop you from continuing to mislead others on this very serious issue. I mean, you seem to be the primary reason why people here are so confused and you are misinforming are large of people on the Internet.
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See, that's where you are wrong. I knew why the buildings collapsed long before I was even on the internet, much less heard of JREF or Gravy.

IMHO You sound more like a preacher come to share the good news than an engineer.

BTW I have not read a single one of your posts but I know they're all wrong.
 
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Architect said:
Oh man, they must have left out all the Gaelic speakers again!
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Gaelic is woo enough as it is.

I mean, do you really expect the rest of us to believe those sounds are a language?

Or is "Gaelic speakers" just a brand name?

JAQ.
 
This is from a thread that got closed. I just couldn't let this go unanswered, and I think it will fit in generally with this thread.

My example was a sledgehammer hitting a pie taking the path of least resistance. I remarked that CD CT is trying to tell us that the hammer bounces off the meringue. An exaggeration, to be sure, but all the elements are there.

deep44 said:
I'm afraid I can't help you with poorly construed examples. Are you claiming that objects moving through a system do not always take the path of least resistance? It's a yes/no question, as opposed to anything involving hammers or pie.
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There is nothing in my example that suggests the sledgehammer does not take the path of least resistance through the pie.

You guys are saying that the path of least resistance is not through the pie, but over where the pie is not. I am aware that the pie offers more resistance to the sledgehammer than empty air, but I and you are at a loss to explain how the pie is going to deflect the hammer over to that least resistance space.

This is exactly what's going on with the towers. The calculations show that the resistance of the structure below could not divert the upper falling mass from plowing right on through to the ground. Yes, the air beside the towers would provide much less resistance to the falling upper mass than the structure below. But the structure below possesses no comparable force to be able to deflect the falling mass there.
 
deep44 is relying on Wikipedia for his knowledge of physics. Like most truther knowledge of physics, that amounts to "things don't fall through hard things." Yes, they do, when the path through the hard thing is the path of least energy change.
 
The stupid thing about the "path of least resistance" is that even a building in the process of being demolished offers more resistance than empty air, so even if it was a CD, by their reckoning the stop still should have tipped off.

-Gumboot
 
bofors said:
The idea that the WTC buildings fell straight down from asymmetric airplane crashes and subsequent random fires blatantly violates the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

In short, it is not possible to get an ordered reaction (here: straight-down collapse) from a disordered stimulus (here: asymmetric airplane crashes and subsequent random fires).
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Bofors, I replied to this in another thread because I was getting a little confused by the multiple threads on the same topic. Please take a look at the post by following the link below. The key point I want to make is that you're confusing symmetry with entropy, and they are in fact fundamentally different, though sometimes partly related, physical concepts.

Dave Rogers said:
Thanks for posting your argument, because I've realised it points to a key misunderstanding in the higher intellectual levels of the truth movement. It's always difficult to follow arguments based on a misunderstanding that one does not possess, because it's difficult to realise that the person arguing lacks the same level of understanding. I think I understand your thinking more clearly now, and can show you where it's in error.
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Dave
 
Gravy said:
Like most truther knowledge of physics, that amounts to "things don't fall through hard things." Yes, they do, when the path through the hard thing is the path of least energy change.
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Isn't that the same kind of logic that dictates that you can't blow your brains out with a cotton bullet?
 
I watched Crimewatch in the UK last night and predict UK truthers will be up in arms about the claims made about an arson attack that they covered.

It was claimed that the fire at the house reached temperatures of 700 degrees.

Crimewatch is on the BBC

OMG, NWO, Disinfo, Jill Dando was murdered because she was going to become a whistleblower
 
On the matter of fire temperatures...

State Highway One north of Hamilton has reopened after a fiery collision between a fuel tanker and truck brought traffic to a standstill for nine hours.

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Emergency workers had earlier used foam to put out some of the 33,000 litres of burning fuel that escaped from the tanker.

Those battling the blaze faced temperatures of up to 1000 deg C. The fire completely gutted both trucks, which were burnt down to their skeleton framing.

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Hamilton chief fire officer Gary Talbot said it took about 20 minutes for the right resources to arrive, and it was a further 20 minutes before the blaze was brought under control.

"The biggest risk was radiated heat. The general attack had to be from a distance of 25 to 50m away."

Source - The New Zealand Herald
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33,000 litres is a tad under 8,000 US gallons, and 1,000 degrees C is 1800 degrees F.

-Gumboot
 
4th April 2005 Geest pasta factory at Barton on Humber catches fire,
most of the factory collapses.
 
Elizabeth I said:
As someone who has to work in buildings designed by architects, could I ask what y'all have against closets? And cabinets?
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Sometimes, after complaining about how an architect is making my design task so difficult, I remember that there is a reason why they were hired in the first place. If engineers designed buildings they'd all be square with mono-sloping roofs, no windows and only one door.
 
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