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Finding obscure books

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Finding obscure books


One of the problems which I have as well as , I suspect, a number of people, is tracking down a book which they read many years ago and want to find again. The problems in doing so is, though, that they have only the sketchiest memory of its details. Sure, there is the usual booksellers’ and librarians’ joke of “I think the heroine’s name was Sylvia, or maybe that was the author … ” and so on. This is not that joke. (Oh, “the cover was blue”.) (At the Oxfam bookshop in Reading UK we get such requests – often one a day!)

What I want this thread to be is a sensible forum for people to find “that book”. Somewhere out there are, I’m sure, people who given a vague description can say “Oh, you mean …”, walk over to their bookshelves and put their hand on it immediately. There might be several false positives each time, but ultimately there should be someone who hits it. (There is, of course, the possibly that respondents will throw up false positives which are not the initial target, but nevertheless worth reading. It’s just happened to me! Anyone remember Macdonell’s cricket match? Cricket enthusiasts should read chapter 7.)

No jokes, no side-tracks, no made-up spurious books please; just honest attempts to find obscure ones.

OK, let me try one to start it off.

Many years ago (1962/3/4 ish) I read a dystopic novel about a Fascist takeover of Great Britain. Set vaguely in the 1950s, it explored how one could be engineered in a “democratic” country using the Nazi style methods which Hitler used in Germany in the 1920/30s. The central character was, if I recall correctly, a rather dim and politically naïve individual who was oblivious to the consequences of his actions or to the direction the political leaders were taking. To translate it into current UK politics, it was rather the way which one could imagine an alliance of the BNP and UKIP (and others of the far right lunatic fringe) acting. A sort of prequel to 1984 – how it could have come about.

One of the main points which I remember was that Britain does not have a “secret ballot”. Each ballot paper has a serial number which corresponds to the number on the counterfoil, on which is written the electoral registration number of the voter. Thus any ballot paper can be traced back to whoever cast the vote.

It’s not Sansom’s “Dominion”, although it looks at a similar scenario at a similar period from a slightly different perspective. Interestingly, he does not appear to make reference to it.

Anyone out there recognise the description?
 
Sorry I can't help on this one, but I have one of those books too, which I've brought up before, but it fits right into this thread, so I'll throw mine in.

I read this in paperback some time in the late 1950's or early 60's. The story revolves around a freighter that is in a World War I convoy. It's an old freighter, plagued with bugs and engine trouble. Among the incidents are numerous delays caused by having to repack the engine glands. Radio is fairly new, Morse code only, and the story's narrator is the radioman. He receives a message purporting to be from another freighter in distress, but there is a small anomaly in the Morse code - a letter code that had once been unique to German code but is no longer used. As the messages come in with greater urgency, he has a great deal of trouble convincing the captain that the message is fake, but finally does so, and later it's reported that another freighter that fell for the messages was torpedoed. Among the other incidents is a retelling of the old story of a naif sailor who sends off for a sure-fire bug cure, and finally receives it: a pair of wooden blocks with instructions to put the bug on one and squash it with the other.

A movie was made of this story some time in the 60's, which I saw once on late night TV and never found again. The title and author are lost, and I haven't been able to hunt the movie down either. It may have been made for TV. As you can see, this book which I read when I was a kid made a pretty good impression, and I'd love to find out what it was!
 
I don't have any suggestions for either of those, but I wanted to note that there are entire groups and sub-groups - for example, on Goodreads - that concentrate on this very subject.
 
I don't have any suggestions for either of those, but I wanted to note that there are entire groups and sub-groups - for example, on Goodreads - that concentrate on this very subject.

First hit! I didn't know they existed.

I'll check them out.
 
Sorry I can't help on this one, but I have one of those books too, which I've brought up before, but it fits right into this thread, so I'll throw mine in.

I read this in paperback some time in the late 1950's or early 60's. The story revolves around a freighter that is in a World War I convoy. It's an old freighter, plagued with bugs and engine trouble. Among the incidents are numerous delays caused by having to repack the engine glands. Radio is fairly new, Morse code only, and the story's narrator is the radioman. He receives a message purporting to be from another freighter in distress, but there is a small anomaly in the Morse code - a letter code that had once been unique to German code but is no longer used. As the messages come in with greater urgency, he has a great deal of trouble convincing the captain that the message is fake, but finally does so, and later it's reported that another freighter that fell for the messages was torpedoed. Among the other incidents is a retelling of the old story of a naif sailor who sends off for a sure-fire bug cure, and finally receives it: a pair of wooden blocks with instructions to put the bug on one and squash it with the other.

A movie was made of this story some time in the 60's, which I saw once on late night TV and never found again. The title and author are lost, and I haven't been able to hunt the movie down either. It may have been made for TV. As you can see, this book which I read when I was a kid made a pretty good impression, and I'd love to find out what it was!

As completely unhelpful as this is, I do know of the book - I read a little of it at least eight years ago in a Salvation Army (Probably) or Goodwill store here in Orlando - enough to be pretty certain it is the one you are looking for. But I didn't buy or complete it so........... Have not seen the movie.
 
As completely unhelpful as this is, I do know of the book - I read a little of it at least eight years ago in a Salvation Army (Probably) or Goodwill store here in Orlando - enough to be pretty certain it is the one you are looking for. But I didn't buy or complete it so........... Have not seen the movie.
Well, it's nice to know another copy exists in the world. If you should flash on anything to do with the title, let me know.
 
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Finding obscure books


One of the problems which I have as well as , I suspect, a number of people, is tracking down a book which they read many years ago and want to find again. The problems in doing so is, though, that they have only the sketchiest memory of its details. Sure, there is the usual booksellers’ and librarians’ joke of “I think the heroine’s name was Sylvia, or maybe that was the author … ” and so on. This is not that joke. (Oh, “the cover was blue”.) (At the Oxfam bookshop in Reading UK we get such requests – often one a day!)

What I want this thread to be is a sensible forum for people to find “that book”. Somewhere out there are, I’m sure, people who given a vague description can say “Oh, you mean …”, walk over to their bookshelves and put their hand on it immediately. There might be several false positives each time, but ultimately there should be someone who hits it. (There is, of course, the possibly that respondents will throw up false positives which are not the initial target, but nevertheless worth reading. It’s just happened to me! Anyone remember Macdonell’s cricket match? Cricket enthusiasts should read chapter 7.)

No jokes, no side-tracks, no made-up spurious books please; just honest attempts to find obscure ones.

OK, let me try one to start it off.

Many years ago (1962/3/4 ish) I read a dystopic novel about a Fascist takeover of Great Britain. Set vaguely in the 1950s, it explored how one could be engineered in a “democratic” country using the Nazi style methods which Hitler used in Germany in the 1920/30s. The central character was, if I recall correctly, a rather dim and politically naïve individual who was oblivious to the consequences of his actions or to the direction the political leaders were taking. To translate it into current UK politics, it was rather the way which one could imagine an alliance of the BNP and UKIP (and others of the far right lunatic fringe) acting. A sort of prequel to 1984 – how it could have come about.

One of the main points which I remember was that Britain does not have a “secret ballot”. Each ballot paper has a serial number which corresponds to the number on the counterfoil, on which is written the electoral registration number of the voter. Thus any ballot paper can be traced back to whoever cast the vote.

It’s not Sansom’s “Dominion”, although it looks at a similar scenario at a similar period from a slightly different perspective. Interestingly, he does not appear to make reference to it.

Anyone out there recognise the description?
Yes it sounds familiar, I'm a bit of an alt-hist buff, but I don't recognise it right now. I'll check my collection when I'm home.
In the meantime perhaps Uchronia might help you?
ETA: or AH.com, there are a number of people over there with detailed knowledge.

As for people who can immediately identify a book from plot snippet, there was a small mystery themes bookshop here in Dublin (Murder Ink) where the owner could do this for mysteries. I described to him the plot of a book I'd read years before, no author or title, and he stared off into space for a minute; he then gave me title and author and order me a copy, plus other by the same author.
(The Wooden Overcoat by Pamela Branch, good book and the radio adaption with David Tennant is OK too.)


Sounds like Kevin Brownlow's movie "It Happened Here". No record of a book treatment though, just a "making of" book. I have very vague memories of the movie.
eta : C J Sansom's "Dominion"? http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/oct/19/sansom-dominion-nightmare-nazi-britain
No, AFAIK there wasn't a book derived from the film; the screenplay was certainly original.
 
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Thanks guys.


Although no-one has yet come up with what I think I’m looking for, what has happened is that the initial responses have validated my initial thoughts. For any book you care to mention, there is likely to be someone who knows the answer! catsmate’s suggestions for other sites look possibles – thanks.

It Happened Here is not what I was looking for, but it looks like a parallel to it. Deighton’s SS-GB likewise isn’t it, but I’ve ordered a copy from my local library anyway. I’m 2/3 of the way through Sansom’s Dominion. IHH is available, but after last night’s Panorama on Amazon they’ve had my last order. I’ll go somewhere else.

By the time I’ve finished I’ll be a repository of AT titles on the subject. If only I could find the sodding one which started me off!
 
I have another one, which I could probably put my hands on if I took hours and hours of searching in my barn, but here goes anyway. It's a British novel from some time in the 1970's or 80's, probably not a terribly well known author, and I have almost no recollection of what it was about,. but one episode has stuck with me: a grandmotherly type during the second world war is doing her part for the effort by obsessively knitting socks for war orphans. Someone points out that they're all tube socks without heels, to which she indignantly replies, "Orphans don't need heels."

I have no recollection of the book that came from, but found it a wonderful capsule characterization of a certain kind of snob. Any takers?
 
I have another one, which I could probably put my hands on if I took hours and hours of searching in my barn, but here goes anyway. It's a British novel from some time in the 1970's or 80's, probably not a terribly well known author, and I have almost no recollection of what it was about,. but one episode has stuck with me: a grandmotherly type during the second world war is doing her part for the effort by obsessively knitting socks for war orphans. Someone points out that they're all tube socks without heels, to which she indignantly replies, "Orphans don't need heels."

I have no recollection of the book that came from, but found it a wonderful capsule characterization of a certain kind of snob. Any takers?
http://books.google.ca/books?id=vAiVTKzs11QC&pg=PT51&lpg=PT51&dq=%22orphans+don%27t+need+heels%22&source=bl&ots=yR80nhPX2d&sig=NII8tK09-TJPU848EkDcuaqICcc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PTOWUpPqJYz8oATy74DADw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22orphans%20don%27t%20need%20heels%22&f=false

ETA: I have now read two pages of the book, starting at your paragraph, and can't put it down. So to speak.
 
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Thanks guys.


Although no-one has yet come up with what I think I’m looking for, what has happened is that the initial responses have validated my initial thoughts. For any book you care to mention, there is likely to be someone who knows the answer! catsmate’s suggestions for other sites look possibles – thanks.

It Happened Here is not what I was looking for, but it looks like a parallel to it. Deighton’s SS-GB likewise isn’t it, but I’ve ordered a copy from my local library anyway. I’m 2/3 of the way through Sansom’s Dominion. IHH is available, but after last night’s Panorama on Amazon they’ve had my last order. I’ll go somewhere else.

By the time I’ve finished I’ll be a repository of AT titles on the subject. If only I could find the sodding one which started me off!
Bad news I'm afraid, I haven't got the book, paper or ebook but I'll see if I can find it. Somewhere I have a dumpfile specifically on British Nazi victory/fascist AHs.
To clarify, it WAS a fascist takeover in the UK, before WW2, rather than a defeat by Germany?

BTW, if you like Dominion try Taylor's The Windsor Faction and perhaps Walton's Farthing series (though I'm pretty sure homosexuality wasn't that rampant in the British aristocracy).

OK my request for help in identifying a book. It was published between 1960 and 1980, probably 1965-75 and centred around the crucification of Jesus but featured a Roman empire with current technology, jets, helicopters, airliners, tanks et cetera. An allegory of some sort for the Mid-East situation. Oh, it had a yellow cover.
 
Oh, no wonder I remembered it. I've read several of Lillian Beckwith's books, and they're grand fun. Not fiction this one, my memory being faulty.

For those not acquainted with the author, she lived on a Hebridean island, and writes interesting and witty observations of her life and that of her neighbors.

The phrase "a rope in case," has, in fact, become a part of my family vocabulary, but it's obvious I haven't read the book nearly recently enough.
 
Bad news I'm afraid, I haven't got the book, paper or ebook but I'll see if I can find it. Somewhere I have a dumpfile specifically on British Nazi victory/fascist AHs.
(1) To clarify, it was a fascist takeover in the UK, before WW2, rather than a defeat by Germany?

BTW, if you like Dominion try Taylor's The Windsor Faction and perhaps Walton's Farthing series (2) though I'm pretty sure homosexuality wasn't that rampant in the British aristocracy.

(3) OK my request for help in identifying a book. It was published between 1960 and 1980, probably 1965-75 and centred around the crucification of Jesus but featured a Roman empire with current technology, jets, helicopters, airliners, tanks et cetera. An allegory of some sort for the Mid-East situation. Oh, it had a yellow cover.

(1) My memory says post WW2.

(2) As far as anyone can work out, virtually any kind of sexual "unusuality" has been rampant in the British aristocracy from time immemorial and probably still is. British boys public (aka "private" in the US) schools were notorious, as was the Boy Scouts - the latter certainly through the 50s. And it wasn't just the adults perpetrating it. What happened in girls public schools and the Guides was a mystery to us males although those who came out either had problems (?) keeping their knees together, or you had to prise them apart with a crowbar. Mind you, once you had ...

(3) Once again I have a vague memory of it or something similar, but that's about all.
 
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