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Finally. Wikileaks: Obama and Clinton Armed ISIS

And Assasnge's creditbility in general has taken a huge blow since he has so clearly become pretty much a tool of Putin,and anything from Wikileaks has got to be regarded with a certain degree of skepticism.
 
Might as well park this here and not waste space on a new thread, this one needs some substance anyway.
WikiLeaks Is Fanning a Conspiracy Theory That Hillary Murdered a DNC Staffer
Julian Assange and his WikiLeaks organization appear to be actively encouraging a conspiracy theory that a Democratic National Committee staffer was murdered for nefarious political purposes, perhaps by Hillary Clinton.

Seth Rich was killed last month in Washington, D.C., in an early morning shooting that police have speculated was a failed robbery. Because Rich did voter outreach for the DNC and because we live in a ridiculous world, conspiracy theorists have glommed on to a fantastical story that Rich was an FBI informant meeting with purported agents who were actually a hit team sent by Hillary Clinton. There is of course absolutely zero evidence for this and Snopes has issued a comprehensive debunking of the premise itself (Rich is only 27 and has only worked at the DNC since 2014 so is unlikely to be in possession of information that might take down Clinton, he was on the phone with his girlfriend at the time of the shooting and she hasn’t reported any FBI meeting, there have been a string of robberies in the area, an FBI rendezvous at 4 a.m. only happens in movies, the whole thing is ******* crazy, etc.).
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He's trying hard to stay relevant.
 
The Wikileaks logical assertions run a bit like this:

1. ISIS eat food made with tinned tomatoes in it.
2. Tomatoes are grown in the USA.
3. Therefore FASCIST USA SUPPLIES EVIL ISIS WITH FOOD!

The logical leaps required to get from (1) and (2) to (3) clearly require a great deal of imagination and paranoia.

Now the parallel here:

1. ISIS fights with some US makes of weapons.
2. USA has always manufactured weapons.
3. Therefore FASCIST USA IS CURRENTLY SUPPLYING WEAPONS TO EVIL ISIS!

And it takes only a few more paranoid illogical leaps to get to:

4. OBAMA IS A SECRET MUSLIM.
 
It amuses me a bit when Americans say on the internet that if a story is not on Fox News or CNN then it never happened. It's a bit like some doctors say that electronic eavesdropping doesn't happen. I suppose it's not their field. It still annoys me a bit that Channel 4 News and the BBC openly say that Ukraine is our ally. Nobody ever asked me what I thought about that.

There are websites on the internet which explain Hillary's views in supporting Isis with money and military equipment, and her desire for nuclear war with Russia. This is one from Canada which I can't link to this forum, but I'm not making it up. There is deafening silence about the matter in America, like in the past the activities of the North Korea Army in Zimbabwe:

The following video features Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton acknowledging that America created and funded Al Qaeda as a terrorist organization in the heyday of the Soviet-Afghan war:

“‘Let’s remember here… the people we are fighting today we funded them twenty years ago.
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trimmed for rule 4. The article is available at http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-we-created-al-qaeda/5337222 Please enclose quoted material in quote tags or similar, and provide a link to the source.
 
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Henri McPhee said:
snipped as the full post is still there to read.
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Why are you unable to link to the various crackpots you are citing? It is also customary to put the words in quotation boxes and cite the source. It is impossible to tell where your words leave off and those of Global Research, Chuck Baldwin, and Paul Craig Roberts begin.

Not everyone is familiar with the crazed right/conspiracy theorist wings.
 
Beats me, since Agatha had no problem. Maybe the Mounties have hacked his computer.
 
dropzone said:
Beats me, since Agatha had no problem. Maybe the Mounties have hacked his computer.
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To be fair, I should've quoted the whole post. That's only one article. He's quoting from a minimum of three that I could locate. There are vast tracts from Chuck Baldwin, and the closing section was lifted directly from Paul Craig Roberts.

It should be noted by the casual reader/lurker that there's a commonality between tactics. The OP likes to tell us that "it's all over the internet" without citing sources. Henri quotes them directly but doesn't cite them or link.

Possibly because they know that these aren't necessarily alternate "news" sources so much as they're alternate whackjob conspiracy sources.
 
I agree that there is a lot of propaganda with regard to these matters. It's just that from what I can make out Hillary has unquestioning support for Israel and Ukraine, and she thinks Israel would benefit if Isis and Al Qaeda take over in Damascus and Aleppo, and that Assad must go, and she is prepared to have a nuclear war with Russia, and she wants to bomb Iran. I think that's want of judgment.

There is propaganda with regard to these photos of injured children in Aleppo. That photo of an injured child in Aleppo recently was taken by an Al Qaeda opposition terrorist who had recently beheaded a Palestinian child. Children are also injured and killed in Aleppo by missiles from the Al Qaeda opposition which go unreported. It's second-class warfare.

There is some background to all this from an RT website, which I agree shows a Russian perspective, but it makes sense to me. I can't link it because it just says this site can't be reached:

"Most recently, Hillary has called for a “tougher response to Russia on Syria and Ukraine.” Never mind that, under international law, Russia’s Syria campaign has been legal, while America’s is not, Hillary believes Putin must be “punished” for intervening there. "I have been, I remain convinced that we need a concerted effort to really up the costs on Russia and in particular on Putin. I think we have not done enough," she remarked at the Brookings Institution.

Notwithstanding Russia's position as the planet's second strongest military power, American neocons simply cannot fathom any kind of partnership or equality with the Kremlin. But it’s not only about Russia; they can’t countenance other European countries acting independently either. The vitriol directed at France and Germany for opposing the illegal 2004 invasion of Iraq is proof of that. The blatant interference in Britain’s EU referendum is further evidence.

Next year, we are likely to have a Hillary Clinton government in America, squaring off against a Putin administration in Moscow. Unlike now, when Obama overrules extremist voices, Clinton will enthusiastically promote their ideas, no matter how imprudent. To quote Bachman Turner Overdrive, if you think relations between Washington and Moscow are bad now, well, you ain’t seen nothing yet."
 
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