FEMA Chief fired from last job.

Kate Hale has spent most of her life in South Florida, coming to Miami from Michigan. She is a graduate of Florida International University where she received her BA in Anthropology and Sociology and where she pursued her MBA. Kate served eight years in the Miami-Dade County Office of Community and Economic Development, leaving as Deputy Director of Administration and Operations in l986 to become Miami-Dade’s assistant director of Emergency Management. She became that agency’s director in l987, a position she held until l996. In that role, particularly after Hurricane Andrew devastated South Dade County in l992, she became nationally recognized for her work and received numerous recognitions.


In 1998 Kate left for Washington, DC where she served as the Executive Director of the National Women’s Political Caucus, and then as the Director of the World War II Project. She returned to Miami in 2002 to take on the challenge of reinvigorating mental health advocacy in South Florida (Miami-Dade and Monroe Counties).Kate also serves as president of the National Mental Health Associations in Florida, a coalition of MHAs affiliated with the National Mental Health Association which advocates on the state and federal level for mental health services and resources.
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crimresearch said:
Kate Hale has spent most of her life in South Florida, coming to Miami from Michigan. She is a graduate of Florida International University where she received her BA in Anthropology and Sociology and where she pursued her MBA. Kate served eight years in the Miami-Dade County Office of Community and Economic Development, leaving as Deputy Director of Administration and Operations in l986 to become Miami-Dade’s assistant director of Emergency Management. She became that agency’s director in l987, a position she held until l996. In that role, particularly after Hurricane Andrew devastated South Dade County in l992, she became nationally recognized for her work and received numerous recognitions.


In 1998 Kate left for Washington, DC where she served as the Executive Director of the National Women’s Political Caucus, and then as the Director of the World War II Project. She returned to Miami in 2002 to take on the challenge of reinvigorating mental health advocacy in South Florida (Miami-Dade and Monroe Counties).Kate also serves as president of the National Mental Health Associations in Florida, a coalition of MHAs affiliated with the National Mental Health Association which advocates on the state and federal level for mental health services and resources.
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Stainless steel... bright red.
 
crimresearch said:
Kate Hale has spent most of her life in South Florida, coming to Miami from Michigan. She is a graduate of Florida International University where she received her BA in Anthropology and Sociology and where she pursued her MBA. Kate served eight years in the Miami-Dade County Office of Community and Economic Development, leaving as Deputy Director of Administration and Operations in l986 to become Miami-Dade’s assistant director of Emergency Management. She became that agency’s director in l987, a position she held until l996. In that role, particularly after Hurricane Andrew devastated South Dade County in l992, she became nationally recognized for her work and received numerous recognitions.


In 1998 Kate left for Washington, DC where she served as the Executive Director of the National Women’s Political Caucus, and then as the Director of the World War II Project. She returned to Miami in 2002 to take on the challenge of reinvigorating mental health advocacy in South Florida (Miami-Dade and Monroe Counties).Kate also serves as president of the National Mental Health Associations in Florida, a coalition of MHAs affiliated with the National Mental Health Association which advocates on the state and federal level for mental health services and resources.
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What a silly argument.

1) She is not the one appointed to head FEMA, so the claim that she is no more qualified to run the thing has no relevance whatsoever.

2) Regardless of (1) above, she would be more qualified than he is. She has a decade of experience in local disaster management. She has yet to be forced out of a job based on her incompetence as a manager. She has at least worked towards a masters in administration as well.

3) Also tracking (1) above, that she has experience in the field does make her somewhat of a proper authority as to the skillset required to successfully oversee a disaster management program.
 
So a bigass hurricane is coming and half your city's population is too broke to leave. Your solution, Mr. Mayor? Governor?

This is all the result of piss poor prior planning. At least the federal government put a naval task force off the coast in preparation for the aftermath.

WTF did the Mayor and Governor do? Mobilize the National Guard? Bus everybody outside the city limits? Nope! Hey, let's just pile everybody inside this concrete dome inside the known flood area!

I don't see how the Fed is supposed to be taking it up the ass for this muckup.
 
Imagine what a difference it would have made if the Governor of Mississippi had mobilized his National Guard and made preparations before the hurricane hit.
 
Luke T. said:
So a bigass hurricane is coming and half your city's population is too broke to leave. Your solution, Mr. Mayor? Governor?

This is all the result of piss poor prior planning. At least the federal government put a naval task force off the coast in preparation for the aftermath.

WTF did the Mayor and Governor do? Mobilize the National Guard? Bus everybody outside the city limits? Nope! Hey, let's just pile everybody inside this concrete dome inside the known flood area!

I don't see how the Fed is supposed to be taking it up the ass for this muckup.
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Plenty to go around. No matter what the brainless game of national politics may try to imply at full force, that X is to blame does not by itself make Y blameless.

...and it does not make this guy any less of a hack.

He may not be the first hack placed in such a position, but I'm not going to let that fact distract from the proposition that perhaps he should be the last.

The blame issue has hung over this from day one, which is why we had politicians praising each other while the water was still rising. Unfortunately, humans being humans it will distract from most attempts to learn from this disaster as people will be too busy rationalizing, trying to shift blame, and so forth...
 
LegalPenguin said:
Plenty to go around. No matter what the brainless game of national politics may try to imply at full force, that X is to blame does not by itself make Y blameless.

...and it does not make this guy any less of a hack.

He may not be the first hack placed in such a position, but I'm not going to let that fact distract from the proposition that perhaps he should be the last.

The blame issue has hung over this from day one, which is why we had politicians praising each other while the water was still rising. Unfortunately, humans being humans it will distract from most attempts to learn from this disaster as people will be too busy rationalizing, trying to shift blame, and so forth...
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What resources, exactly, does the federal government have for this sort of disaster? Military troops? They cannot be used for law enforcement per posse comitatus. So who is supposed to handle the looters? The city and the state. Can't pin the blame one bit on the federal government for the looters.

These people stuck inside the flood area, who kept them there? The mayor. Can't blame the federal government for that one, either.

But somehow the federal government is supposed to unmuck this mess the locals could have prevented, and aren't doing it quick enough. Bogus!

The US Navy was on the job immediately following the hurricane. They and the Coast Guard were the only ones.

And the Red Cross. Now if the Red Cross can be there the next day serving a million meals a day, maybe somebody should sit down with them and ask, "Hey! How'd you do that?"
 
Luke T. said:
What resources, exactly, does the federal government have for this sort of disaster? Military troops? They cannot be used for law enforcement per posse comitatus. So who is supposed to handle the looters? The city and the state. Can't pin the blame one bit on the federal government for the looters.

These people stuck inside the flood area, who kept them there? The mayor. Can't blame the federal government for that one, either.

But somehow the federal government is supposed to unmuck this mess the locals could have prevented, and aren't doing it quick enough. Bogus!

The US Navy was on the job immediately following the hurricane. They and the Coast Guard were the only ones.

And the Red Cross. Now if the Red Cross can be there the next day serving a million meals a day, maybe somebody should sit down with them and ask, "Hey! How'd you do that?"
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"It isn't our fault."

Of course, "who to blame" is not the subject of this thread, rather that the appointed head of FEMA appears to be about as qualified to run the agency as I am... Probably less...

And since FEMA is "tasked with responding to, planning for, recovering from and mitigating against disasters" let me suggest that laying all blame on the locals for a lack of planning re: a massively foreseeable disaster with possible obvious profound nationwide economic consequences and massive loss of life is complete hatstand... As they say, "this is why they get the big bucks..."

quote from: http://www.fema.gov/about/history.shtm


Last I checked most of my tax money goes to the feds, and that the states defer to their jurisdiction in pretty much every respect... and since when does blame go down the chain of command?

The Bush administration talks big about homeland security post 9-11, and it appears they aren't hypocrites... they talk big during and after the disasters as well....
 
Skeptic said:
Harumph.

The quote that his last job was "overseeing horse shows" was a quote from Today's New York Times opinion piece by Paul Breman (sp?), one of the two resident Bush-Bashers (after Maureen Doud).

The same article also offered, as a "fact", that Bush doesn't care about New Orleans because the victims are black, and--at the same time--that his lack of reaction is due to gross incompetence.

It's the usual situation for Breman: accusing Bush of being is at the same time an evil genius and an incompetent fool whenever something goes wrong.

Consider the source.
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I don't find anything in there that would imply that Bush is an "evil genius". Evil perhaps.
 
Luke T. said:

But somehow the federal government is supposed to unmuck this mess the locals could have prevented, and aren't doing it quick enough. Bogus!
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FEMA's entire reason for existance is exactly this kind of massive disaster.
 
And what exactly does the enabling legislation allow and require them to do in exactly this sort of disaster?
 
Renfield said:
I don't find anything in there that would imply that Bush is an "evil genius". Evil perhaps.
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Well, you know, sarcasm is very hard to discern over the Internet.
 
crimresearch said:
And what exactly does the enabling legislation allow and require them to do in exactly this sort of disaster?
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You tell us.

Try adding something to the discussion other than your attitude of superiority. This isn't quiz time.
 
So is the war in Iraq causing troop shortfalls for hurricane relief in New Orleans?

In a word, no.

A look at the numbers should dispel that notion. Take the Army for example. There are 1,012,000 soldiers on active duty, in the Reserves, or in the National Guard. Of them, 261,000 are deployed overseas in 120 countries. Iraq accounts for 103,000 soldiers, or 10.2 percent of the Army.

That’s all? Yes, 10.2 percent. That datum is significant in itself, a good one to keep handy the next time someone talks about how our forces are stretched too thin, our troops are at the breaking point, and so forth. If you add in Afghanistan (15,000) and the support troops in Kuwait (10,000) you still only have 12.6 percent.

So where are the rest? 751,000 (74.2 percent) are in the U.S. About half are active duty, and half Guard and Reserve. The Guard is the real issue of course — the Left wants you to believe that the country has been denuded of its citizen soldiers, and that Louisiana has suffered inordinately because Guardsmen and women who would have been available to be mobilized by the state to stop looting and aid in reconstruction are instead risking their lives in Iraq.

Not hardly. According to Lieutenant General H. Steven Blum, chief of the National Guard Bureau, 75 percent of the Army and Air National Guard are available nationwide. In addition, the federal government has agreed since the conflict in Iraq started not to mobilize more than 50 percent of Guard assets in any given state, in order to leave sufficient resources for governors to respond to emergencies.
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Where are the Guardsmen?

edited to add: Relevance to this thread is that the troops were there, ready to be called upon. The orders weren't recieved soon enough.
 
a_unique_person said:
A lot of that National guard is tied up in other places....
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This seems to just be a read herring. Can you show that it has had any effect? There are plenty of troops in New Orleans now. Why do you think Iraq was significant?
 
RandFan said:
This seems to just be a read herring. Can you show that it has had any effect? There are plenty of troops in New Orleans now. Why do you think Iraq was significant?
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I did read that a lot of the National Guard troops from this area are overseas, with a lot of their equipment.
 
This just in: Mike Brown's already questionable resume was found to be padded.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1103003,00.html
Before joining FEMA, his only previous stint in emergency management, according to his bio posted on FEMA's website, was "serving as an assistant city manager with emergency services oversight." The White House press release from 2001 stated that Brown worked for the city of Edmond, Okla., from 1975 to 1978 "overseeing the emergency services division." In fact, according to Claudia Deakins, head of public relations for the city of Edmond, Brown was an "assistant to the city manager" from 1977 to 1980, not a manager himself, and had no authority over other employees. "The assistant is more like an intern," she told TIME.

Brown's lack of experience in emergency management isn't the only apparent bit of padding on his resume, which raises questions about how rigorously the White House vetted him before putting him in charge of FEMA. Under the "honors and awards" section of his profile at FindLaw.com — which is information on the legal website provided by lawyers or their offices—he lists "Outstanding Political Science Professor, Central State University". However, Brown "wasn't a professor here, he was only a student here," says Charles Johnson, News Bureau Director in the University Relations office at the University of Central Oklahoma (formerly named Central State University).

Under the heading of "Professional Associations and Memberships" on FindLaw, Brown states that from 1983 to the present he has been director of the Oklahoma Christian Home, a nursing home in Edmond. But an administrator with the Home, told TIME that Brown is "not a person that anyone here is familiar with." She says there was a board of directors until a couple of years ago, but she couldn't find anyone who recalled him being on it.
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Given Mike Brown's incredible incompetence in handling the Katrina disaster, I think that the President will bestow numerous awards on honors upon him. Or perhaps promote him, like he's promoted other incompetents.
 
clk said:
This just in: Mike Brown's already questionable resume was found to be padded.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1103003,00.html
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Think about it.

Three hundred or so shipyards all littered with seventeen ton steel plates within a hundred miles of New Orleans. A stolen CH-47D Chinook heavy-lift helicopter. Bruce Willis, I mean Cleopatra Jones, maneuvers the last section of seventeen ton steel plate into place, isolating the mouth of the 17th Street Canal as Hurricane Katrina surges into Lake Pontchartrain. The Gulf of Mexico is kept from overwhelming a two foot thick dirt section of canal wall shorter than Prince.

Say, you look like an outstanding political science professor with emergency services oversight. How'd you like to head FEMA?
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