Feinstein and the Anarchist's Cookbook.

[Joey McGee]

First they came for the people who published detailed plans for terrorism devices, and I did nothing, because I didn't personally want to kill innocent people...

blah blah blah...

then they came for me.

Doesn't have that "ring" to it.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Me too.

Let's talk about the validity of denying the enemy the right to publish their propaganda magazine that the Boston Bombers used to commit their crimes. casebro you start

Validity is irrelevant. Inspire Magazine isn't published in the traditional sense of having a central office and printing press and truckloads of bundles dropped at the back door of news stands. Shutting down Inspire and removing it from the Internet is not only impossible but absurd.

 

[casebro]

Me too.

Let's talk about the validity of denying the enemy the right to publish their propaganda magazine that the Boston Bombers used to commit their crimes. casebro you start

I'd never heard of Inspire magazine until this thread. But first I would have to rule out that it not only falls under the general Freedom of the Press, but also political speech.

I believe the press/speech freedoms are actually about Freedom of Knowledge and the spreading there of. Do you and Feinstein plan on abolishing college too, what with their chemical engineering and poli-sci classes? Abolish all knowledge of explosives, like dynamite for mining? Abolish bio-chemistry too, because while it brings us mass manufactured insulin, it also brought us Sarin?

Eight time in 40 years? Diane needs to get a real windmill to tilt at. Hey, isn't she retiring? Or is that my other radical left senator? As 'left' that California is, it is only 55/45. There is hope yet.

 

[Joey McGee]

Validity is irrelevant. Inspire Magazine isn't published in the traditional sense of having a central office and printing press and truckloads of bundles dropped at the back door of news stands. Shutting down Inspire and removing it from the Internet is not only impossible but absurd.

No, what is absurd is your automatic taking it to an absurd level... it is certainly possible for governments and search engines to deny a home for Inspire as much as humanly possible, no one is suggesting we can simply deny them the ability to write the magazine or post it to the internet completely, that's your weirdness.

 

[Joey McGee]

I'd never heard of Inspire magazine until this thread.

Then you didn't do a lot of reading on terrorism over the years did you?

But first I would have to rule out that it not only falls under the general Freedom of the Press, but also political speech.

I believe the press/speech freedoms are actually about Freedom of Knowledge and the spreading there of. Do you and Feinstein plan on abolishing college too, what with their chemical engineering and poli-sci classes?

Countries that aren't super **********-up and backwards have been able to do both ban bomb-making instructions while still having colleges and their freedom and prosperity haven't plummeted as a result, I hope you know this...

Abolish all knowledge of explosives, like dynamite for mining? Abolish bio-chemistry too, because while it brings us mass manufactured insulin, it also brought us Sarin?

Just because you can't prevent everything doesn't mean you shouldn't try. Just because you can't make it impossible doesn't mean you can't make it as difficult as possible. The either or black and white thinking is pathological, makes no sense, and is what has poisoned the political debate.

Eight time in 40 years?

This is an incomplete list in a *********** magazine not a scientific study...

Diane needs to get a real windmill to tilt at. Hey, isn't she retiring? Or is that my other radical left senator? As 'left' that California is, it is only 55/45. There is hope yet.

Hey what do you know? You've never ever heard of Inspire magazine.

 

[casebro]

Sorry Joey, I couldn't hear you over the noise of all the bombs going off around me.

 

[applecorped]

First they came for the people who published detailed plans for terrorism devices, and I did nothing, because I didn't personally want to kill innocent people...

blah blah blah...

then they came for me.

And then they laughed their asses off at the hyperbole being slung about.

 

[foophil]

Funny. I own a copy of the Anarchists Cookbook printed in the 70's. Not sure of the version. My father gave it to me when I was a young man and I've had it since. I think I've read it a few times over the years for the laughs. Some of the things in there are pretty silly. I've certainly never had the urge to go doing most the things in that book (though I admit a few of the harmless items looked like they could be fun to try). I guess I'd be a criminal if some people here had their way.

 

[Jango]

Warrantless spying didn't exist, that's a conspiracy theory.

No, it is not a conspiracy theory.

I'm 100% sure you don't understand the law behind either claim. Do you still hysterically believe that Snowden leaked programs that were illegal?

They are/were illegal.

She doesn't believe Americans should have guns?

Probably not.

If you think that we should legally support the efforts to spread Inspire magazine, that's fine, but I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people understand this is not an attack on free speech.

Anarchist's Cookbook is called Inspire magazine nowadays? No? Then I wasn't talking about Inspire magazine.

 

[abaddon]

Then you didn't do a lot of reading on terrorism over the years did you? Countries that aren't super **********-up and backwards have been able to do both ban bomb-making instructions while still having colleges and their freedom and prosperity haven't plummeted as a result, I hope you know this...

Name one country that has been able to achieve this. You can't, because no country ever has.

Just because you can't prevent everything doesn't mean you shouldn't try. Just because you can't make it impossible doesn't mean you can't make it as difficult as possible.

Just because you can't stop the oncoming train is no reason not to step in front of it? Really?

The either or black and white thinking is pathological, makes no sense, and is what has poisoned the political debate.

Nope, it's realism.

This is an incomplete list in a *********** magazine not a scientific study... Hey what do you know? You've never ever heard of Inspire magazine.

Heard of it, saw a front cover or two, never read it however, attempting to ban it on the intertubes would be a waste of time and money. Have you never heard of the dark web?

 

[Joey McGee]

No, it is not a conspiracy theory.

They are/were illegal.

A lot of people have tried to prove that to me here before, all failed, give it your best shot...

Probably not.

Anarchist's Cookbook is called Inspire magazine nowadays? No? Then I wasn't talking about Inspire magazine.

Feinstein is... and pretty much any bomb-making instructions...

Name one country that has been able to achieve this. You can't, because no country ever has.

France.

Just because you can't stop the oncoming train is no reason not to step in front of it? Really?

What the **** are you talking about?

Nope, it's realism.

We can't ban books with bomb-making instructions because we'd have a tyranny and that's realism? Great.

Heard of it, saw a front cover or two, never read it however, attempting to ban it on the intertubes would be a waste of time and money. Have you never heard of the dark web?

No one said you could completely get rid of it and that would be the point...

Hey honestly you can't can go on continuing to entertain yourselves with your comments while not taking anything seriously, even your own statements, enjoy.

 

[Joey McGee]

United Kingdom : "Possession of Inspire without reasonable excuse has been successfully prosecuted under Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000"

On April 16, 2013, an Australian man from Melbourne was arrested for possessing and collecting editions of the magazine on a USB drive

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspire_(magazine)


Jesus Christ maybe you guys are right, I don't want America to end up like Australia or the United Kingdom...

 

[abaddon]

France.

Wrong.

What the **** are you talking about?

The internet is an unstoppable juggernaut. Attempting to ban anything on it is utterly futile.

We can't ban books with bomb-making instructions because we'd have a tyranny and that's realism?

Great or not, that is how it is. Remember Erdogan trying to ban YouTube? There were even members on here offering free proxies to any turkish members.

Great.No one said you could completely get rid of it and that would be the point...

Nope. It would be a pointless waste of time and money because no matter what you did or spent TAC would remain freely available with ease.

Hey honestly you can't can go on continuing to entertain yourselves with your comments while not taking anything seriously, even your own statements, enjoy.

Would you campaign to have your government to fund the installation of unicorn detectors at ports of entry? Of course you wouldn't. It would be a pointless waste of money. Attempting to censor the internet is in the same league.

 

[Joey McGee]

Wrong.

What about Australia and Britain there? Wasn't that what we were talking about?

The internet is an unstoppable juggernaut. Attempting to ban anything on it is utterly futile.

People keep repeating this in different ways, then I keep repeating that that may be, but there are ways of making it much harder to get, this would be a useless exercise, says your opinion, mine says the opposite, and that's as far as we can go with this.

Great or not, that is how it is. Remember Erdogan trying to ban YouTube? There were even members on here offering free proxies to any turkish members.

If the US bans inspire magazine like Britain did, do you think there will be members here offering copies? It's a silly thought isn't it... comparing banning youtube to banning Inspire magazine...

Nope. It would be a pointless waste of time and money because no matter what you did or spent TAC would remain freely available with ease.

Actually it would be with considerably less ease, and would put pressure on them. These types tend to get themselves caught quite often, they aren't exactly geniuses. No one is claiming it is going to be a lynchpin that prevents massive amounts of terror attacks.

Would you campaign to have your government to fund the installation of unicorn detectors at ports of entry? Of course you wouldn't. It would be a pointless waste of money. Attempting to censor the internet is in the same league.

Should they give up on policing child porn laws too?

 

[Joey McGee]

His son Nicky Davison (below), 19, of County Durham, was sentenced to two years in a young offenders’ institution after being convicted of charges relating to downloading copies of the Anarchist’s Cookbook.

Having the book, saw Davison charged with possessing material useful to commit acts of terror.

During his trial, Judge John Mitford QC and the detective who headed up the case demanded the book be banned. Graeme Pearson MSP said: “Books like this are unfortunately the price we pay for living in a free society.

Having this book could be seen as committing a crime but officers would take into account of what other activities you were engaged in.

“If you just had the book its unlikely you would be getting your door kicked in.”

http://www.sundaypost.com/news-view...hist-cookbook-still-on-sale-in-the-uk-1.89624

Poor Orwell, rolling over in his grave...

 

[Joey McGee]

Sorry Joey, I couldn't hear you over the noise of all the bombs going off around me.

You didn't know that the Boston Bombers got their instructions from Inspire magazine?

 

[Cleon]

People keep repeating this in different ways, then I keep repeating that that may be, but there are ways of making it much harder to get,

Not significantly harder, no.

It's not like trying to keep a bit of information off the Internet hasn't been tried before, it's just always failed. Child porn - the one thing we all wish would go away - is still ubiquitous and easy to find despite the fact that it is unquestionably illegal and actively investigated by multitudes of law enforcement agencies.

 

[Joey McGee]

So do you really think that there would be equally as much child porn, equal number of offenders and an equal number of victims if no effort was made to remove it and charge those trying to access it? Even if the answer to that was clearly yes, when it clearly is not, wouldn't you do it anyway just out of principle?

 

[Cleon]

So do you really think....

if no effort was made to remove it and charge those trying to access it?

Actually, very little effort is made to remove it (aside from the original server) or charge those trying to access it.

Going after people downloading d/l child porn is an exercise in futility; it's virtually impossible unless the consumer screws up in a big way. When you see someone arrested merely for having it, it's almost always because they were turned in by a computer tech or family member who found it accidentally.

Law enforcement targets those who produce and distribute it, which is significantly different.

And even then, when they arrest the producers (or consumers), guess what? It's still on the internet. Once it gets on filesharing networks, it doesn't matter what you do with the original distributor.

 

[Joey McGee]

I only know what I read in the papers, and people are arrested and charged with accessing child porn all the time and are discovered by a wide variety of means. I don't know where you live or what newspapers you read.

In any case, I've made my point. This is a rather unpleasant subject, you're all entitled to support the publication of Inspire magazine all you want.