Merged FBI Video Release

[RedIbis]

We can see that in videos

Please post a link to that.

 

[Bobert]

The dance has begun.
Can I be your Ginger Rogers, Red?

 

[BCR]

Please post a link to that.

Well, I have provided download links to the other videos to JREF members, but only by pm. But this thread starts with one. Guessed you missed that one.

Darn, Mangoose even posted images from the video of the debris pile.

 

[RedIbis]

Well, I have provided download links to the other videos to JREF members, but only by pm. But this thread starts with one. Guessed you missed that one.

Darn, Mangoose even posted images from the video of the debris pile.

I saw your pics in #6, didn't see any Mongoose pics, what is the post #?

 

[T.A.M.]

I'm not asking about the bodies, I'm asking about the plane.

you get my point though. Unless I am guessing wrong on your not so subtle attempt to once again proclaim that the absence of plane parts in the video is some form of proof that a plane did not hit the Pentagon.

My point is that there were bodies within the debris of the pentagon crash site, yet you do not see them on that video. But they were there at the site. Similarly, even though the video may show no plane parts, that does not mean they were not there, at the crash site.

TAM

 

[RedIbis]

you get my point though. Unless I am guessing wrong on your not so subtle attempt to once again proclaim that the absence of plane parts in the video is some form of proof that a plane did not hit the Pentagon.

My point is that there were bodies within the debris of the pentagon crash site, yet you do not see them on that video. But they were there at the site. Similarly, even though the video may show no plane parts, that does not mean they were not there, at the crash site.

TAM

But if the bodies were inside the bldg then we wouldn't expect to see them in the video. Unless nearly all of Flight 77 entered the bldg or disintegrated upon impact, it should be visible in the video.

 

[T.A.M.]

not really. That video does not (A) cover the entire crash site (by a long shot) or (B) cover it in close up.

TAM

 

[BCR]

I saw your pics in #6, didn't see any Mongoose pics, what is the post #?

You are correct, I posted at Mangoose's request. And please don't play dumb on me, you have been around here long enough to see plenty of photographs and video of the debris field in the helipad and northwest lawn area.

 

[Bell]

I have two additional FBI vids uploaded in raw form. I will not be converting these to crappy YouTubes, but anyone interested in them may send me a pm and I will provide links for your download pleasure for the mpg's.

Mr. Farmer, thank your for your fast response to my PM requesting the "Over the Navy Annex, north of Citgo, up and over the Pentagon" video. Thanks for the file. Truly amazing stuff!

 

[BCR]

Yeah, wazn't that cool!

 

[The Big Dog]

I'm not asking about the bodies, I'm asking about the plane.

I can truther.

Say, truther, why don't you give us your calculations of the size of the plane's debris you would expect to see and the comparison to the resolution of that you tube video.

C'mon Truther, do it!

Nevertheless, visible fuselage debris is visible in that low res video.

As such, and as always, FAIL.

 

[Mangoose]

Just for fun, I stitched together multiple frames from the video to make panoramic or more complete views of some interesting scenes (these incorporate elements from at least a dozen frames).

They're not perfect but I think they're pretty interesting. The first image was pretty hard to make as only small portions of this scene are glimpsed in any particular frame, and because of movement the parts didn't fit together all that well (plus there was some empty space). This is the first scene in the video, taken just minutes after the crash.

 

[RedIbis]

You are correct, I posted at Mangoose's request. And please don't play dumb on me, you have been around here long enough to see plenty of photographs and video of the debris field in the helipad and northwest lawn area.

I've seen photos of some scrap show me what you call a debris field.

 

[johnny karate]

Incredible footage. Thanks for posting. Just a question, do you see any wreckage from Flight 77 in that clip?

I'd like to make it clear that by RedIbis asking this question he is in no way, shape of form claiming Flight 77 did not crash at The Pentagon. He's far too clever to say such a silly thing. He's merely asking a perfectly innocent question.

 

[johnny karate]

I've seen photos of some scrap show me what you call a debris field.

Once again, it needs to be pointed out that there is absolutely nothing suspect in RedIbis' motivation for making this statement. He just wants to see the debris field because he has an inquisitive nature. I know this because of observing the integrity and intellectual honesty in how RedIbis comports himself on this forum.

 

[BCR]

Sorry Ibis, I don't go out of my way to fulfill requests by those who are here just to play games. Do your own research; there is plenty of photographic and video evidence out there. I will however post you a graphic showing you where to look for it based on simple Newtonian physics.

Approaching the wall at an angle, the wall will exert a normal force equal to the force component of the plane which is perpendicular to the wall. The force of the plane which is parallel with the wall will diminish due to frictional forces, but in general debris that does not penetrate the building will have a resultant vector which is equal to or greater than the angle of the force vector of the plane. So the "debris field" should be found in the general vicinity of the helipad and lawn beyond.

Now I ask you, where was the segment of plane with red lettering on it found? Do you now understand why there is no debris on the lawn from the vantage point of these videos along the flight path? You should now understand the gif below and why the DCA ASR is picking up airborne debris in the same area immediately after impact.

After this, the prevailing wind blows the airborne debris towards the south until the larger segments make it back to the ground. In other words, I've modeled the location of the debris field, now go see if the model matches with observation (look up a few photos, Ingersoll's are the best). Also be aware that the yellow ellipse is only the center and debris will extend out from it with diminishing frequency.

 

[RedIbis]

Sorry Ibis, I don't go out of my way to fulfill requests by those who are here just to play games. Do your own research; there is plenty of photographic and video evidence out there. I will however post you a graphic showing you where to look for it based on simple Newtonian physics.

[qimg]http://aal77.com/jref/debris_field.jpg[/qimg]

Approaching the wall at an angle, the wall will exert a normal force equal to the force component of the plane which is perpendicular to the wall. The force of the plane which is parallel with the wall will diminish due to frictional forces, but in general debris that does not penetrate the building will have a resultant vector which is equal to or greater than the angle of the force vector of the plane. So the "debris field" should be found in the general vicinity of the helipad and lawn beyond.

Now I ask you, where was the segment of plane with red lettering on it found? Do you no understand why there is no debris on the lawn from the vantage point of these videos along the flight path? You should now understand the gif below and why the DCA ASR is picking up airborne debris in the same area immediately after impact.

[qimg]http://aal77.com/jref/dca_impact.gif[/qimg]

After this, the prevailing wind blows the airborne debris towards the south until the larger segments make it back to the ground. In other words, I've modeled the location of the debris field, now go see if the model matches with observation (look up a few photos, Ingersoll's are the best). Also be aware that the yellow ellipse is only the center and debris will extend out from it with diminishing frequency.

So you'll come up with this long post, complete with diagrams, but you won't simply post a photo of this debris field.

 

[BCR]

Nope

 

[The Big Dog]

Nope

Ya think he missed this part of your post?

"Sorry Ibis, I don't go out of my way to fulfill requests by those who are here just to play games."

Anyhow, if he was serious, he'd already be pouring through the hi res video he asked you to send to him.

What? He did not ask for it?

Oh my stars!

 

[BCR]

Ya think he missed this part of your post?

Yep. He asked where the debris was. Rather than showing him a picture, I simply made a prediction where the debris would be found if a plane hit the Pentagon. You may not be aware, but some claim that one did not and the debris was planted. So, I modeled and made a prediction. He now needs to Google "Ingersoll" and see if observation matches the prediction. Simple stuff really.