Fatah declaration of its goals, August 2009

[Skeptic]

Their goal?

"To fight zionism, eliminate the zionist presence, and liberate Palestine".

Their method?

The same method used to destroy Czechoslovakia -- first get it into indefensible borders by speaking about "peace", then demand the rest / start the war, as per Arafat's "staged plan" of 1974.

Their defenders?

Lots of little Chamberlines -- those who naively think that if you give these genocidal terrorists what they want now, they won't ask for more later. These folks are known as "moderates" or "supporters of the peace process".

Also, lots of little Quislings -- those who rather like the idea of the genocidal terrorists winning against the Jewish state, and support them out of inner conviction. These are known as the "anti-zionists".

Sorry to intrude with the truth, and the obvious truth at that, into all the wonderful peace-making and stuff that's going around, but still.

 

[Thunder]

Their goal?

"To fight zionism, eliminate the zionist presence, and liberate Palestine".

Their method?

The same method used to destroy Czechoslovakia -- first get it into indefensible borders by speaking about "peace", then demand the rest / start the war, as per Arafat's "staged plan" of 1974. .

and your proof?

ZERO

 

[Darth Rotor]

Their goal?

"To fight zionism, eliminate the zionist presence, and liberate Palestine".

Their method?

The same method used to destroy Czechoslovakia -- first get it into indefensible borders by speaking about "peace", then demand the rest / start the war, as per Arafat's "staged plan" of 1974.

Their defenders?

Lots of little Chamberlines -- those who naively think that if you give these genocidal terrorists what they want now, they won't ask for more later. These folks are known as "moderates" or "supporters of the peace process".

Also, lots of little Quislings -- those who rather like the idea of the genocidal terrorists winning against the Jewish state, and support them out of inner conviction. These are known as the "anti-zionists".

Sorry to intrude with the truth, and the obvious truth at that, into all the wonderful peace-making and stuff that's going around, but still.

Link? You have me confused here. But if you are right about the Chamberlains and the Quislings, and you are not PWD at the moment, then what is the proper response:

Blood and iron arrives in the West Bank?

Is there a solution?

Or, does Israel just settle in for a nice forever war?

DR

 

[Thunder]

i think a source for these accusations is due.

 

[Skeptic]

DR -

I'm not saying there's necessarily a solution. But I know the so-called "peace" process is no solution.

There isn't a solution to all our health problems, either; that doesn't mean one should take arsenic to treat cancer under the "but what's YOUR solution?" idea.

 

[Thunder]

Skeptic- how do you make these claims, but provide zero sources and zero evidence?

 

[WildCat]

What's Arabic for plus ça change? Because that was the message last week from the Palestinian city of Bethlehem, where the "moderate" Fatah party held its first general congress since 1989. Fatah—founded by Yasser Arafat in the 1960s and led since 2004 by Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas—demonstrated that Palestinian national politics remain as mired as ever in conspiracy theories, duplicity and the glorification of terrorists.


In opening the congress, Fatah elder statesman and former chief Palestinian peace negotiator Ahmed Qurei announced "We have in our midst the hero Khaled Abu-Usbah." Abu-Usbah's "heroism" derives from a 1978 terrorist attack that killed 37 Israelis. Time magazine (back then able to distinguish terrorists from "militants") described Abu-Usbah's mission: "The terrorists hijacked two buses filled with tourists and sightseers, took them on a wild ride down the road toward Tel Aviv, shooting along the way at everyone in sight, and finally destroyed one bus in an orgy of fire and death."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574348524005904140.html





Equivocation coming in 3,2,1...

 

[Skeptic]

There are holocaust deniers, and there are holocaust-plan deniers.

"Yes, they said they want to destroy Israel utterly and kill or expel all the Jews, but what they really mean is... look! A squirrel!"

 

[Skeptic]

No replies. Imagine my surprise.

"You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"

 

[WildCat]

No replies. Imagine my surprise.

"You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"

Pretty much it.

When they're preening for the western media and the useful idiots they talk peace.

When by themselves they're cheering a guy who murdered a bus load of Israeli civilians.

Disgusting.

 

[Thunder]

There are holocaust deniers, and there are holocaust-plan deniers.

"Yes, they said they want to destroy Israel utterly and kill or expel all the Jews, but what they really mean is... look! A squirrel!"

so...um...when you gonna provide a source for your OP?

 

[WildCat]

so...um...when you gonna provide a source for your OP?

At the Fatah conference this August:

During the conference, Abbas, in typical fashion, bombarded the Israelis with mixed messages. On one hand, delegates proposed revising the charter of Fatah — which was founded in the 1950s to wage an armed struggle against Israel on behalf of the dispossessed Palestinians — to embrace the principle of "two states for two people," a recognition that Palestinians accept Israel's right to exist. This revision is expected to be adopted by Fatah's newly elected leadership bodies. But, on the other hand, the conference delegates refused to strike out a sentence in their charter vowing to "liquidate the Zionist entity," and the delegates did not rule out the possibility of a return to arms if the faltering U.S.-brokered peace process collapses.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1915783,00.html

Bold emphasis mine.

So a proposal to recognize Israel gets shelved, while refusing to strike language calling for Israel's destruction.

You can start with your excuses now parky.

 

[Thunder]

You can start with your excuses now parky.

excuse #1.

-I'll start condeming Fatah when Israel can commit to suspending ALL settlement construction.

 

[tyr_13]

excuse #1.

-I'll start condeming Fatah when Israel can commit to suspending ALL settlement construction.

That's just plain sick.

 

[geni]

DR -

I'm not saying there's necessarily a solution. But I know the so-called "peace" process is no solution.

There isn't a solution to all our health problems, either; that doesn't mean one should take arsenic to treat cancer under the "but what's YOUR solution?" idea.

Err arsenic trioxide has FDA aproval for the treatment of certian types of cancer.

You may not like the kind of people you have to talk to to have a chance of a negotiated settlement but thats fairly typical.

 

[theprestige]

excuse #1.

-I'll start condeming Fatah when Israel can commit to suspending ALL settlement construction.

Why should the Israeli government suspend any settlement construction while the Palestinian government not only refuses to recognize Israel but remains committed in principle to its destruction?

 

[geni]

Why should the Israeli government suspend any settlement construction while the Palestinian government not only refuses to recognize Israel but remains committed in principle to its destruction?

Being committed in principle to the anexation of part or all of another state is not illegal under international law (otherwise the Republic of Ireland, Spain and Argentina would have issues). Actualy anexing territory that does not belong to you (which is what Isael is doing) is illegal.

The more practical reason is that it costs Israel money that could be better spent on other things and is part of the support for some of the more problematical Isreali political groups.

 

[Thunder]

Why should the Israeli government suspend any settlement construction

indeed. Israel should continue building settlements. in fact, they should speed up construction and double the amount. that way, the 2 state solution will clearly be dead, and Israel and the WB will become one state.

 

[mortimer]

indeed. Israel should continue building settlements. in fact, they should speed up construction and double the amount. that way, the 2 state solution will clearly be dead, and Israel and the WB will become one state.

Israel doesn't want that. Who is going to force it on them?

 

[lionking]

excuse #1.

-I'll start condeming Fatah when Israel can commit to suspending ALL settlement construction.

Way to go! A complete dismissal of the sources you demanded and an attempt to derail the thread and turn it into one about settlements - which it is not.

Come on parky, you were given on topic sources. Care to respond to them?