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Fasting

Are there any studies on the psychological aspects of fasting, or any other "cleansing" or other things termed woo?

I do believe there was a study done some years ago in which the subjects (all men) were put on a very strict regimen of nearly no calories. The subjects began exhibiting may psychological problems, including OCD tendencies, obsessing about food, collecting and hoarding things like recipes, exercising, etc.

I'll try to search for the study and link it.
 
This thread is really interesting and is covering many different points all at the same time. I've personally fasted 3 times (1 for 3 days, and the other 2 for 7 days). Every time the 2nd-3rd day was when the want for food was most and my energy level was low but the 4th day and on was always GREAT! Energy level being super duper, no more hunger to deal with, overall just feeling fine, to the point where I would stop on the 7th day only because it was freaking out my parents, otherwise it felt only easier and easier to live off water. It's always fascinating how our body adapts so well.

Somebody asked this question but it went unanswered, so i'll ask it too... what's going on biologically that makes us feel really bad by the 3rd day and then what changes after that day where we feel fine again?
 
Cool! I didn't want to come across as attacking. I'm sorry if I did. I merely just wanted to put my two cents in, just like you.



Which really is what we're all here for. Don't be taken aback from the comments you get. You made comments off the cuff which is great but you have to realize that there are people on this Forum who have training in (and some who actually make a living at) some of the stuff you and I would write as a matter of course. Sometimes we're wrong and these people chime in to correct us. No biggie.

I have training in toxicology and risk assessment. I'm also a chemist so the research I've done is in the past and is still continuing on this very topic. I merely wanted to give you the benefit of what I know. I don't think you're doing or writing anything wrong (except for quoting dear Dr. Dean..GRRR ;)).



I agree that fasting is a pretty extreme step but I don't think the OP was doing it to save his health as much as experimenting with it. I've kind of fasted without consciously doing it. Sometimes, especially around the aftermath of the holidays, look at my gut and despair. I start drinking lotsa water and that really helps a fast although you really don't think you're fasting. Or at least I don't. (Some even has lemon in it. :p)

Thanks and be well.

Aww jeez, I am sorry if I came across as angry, I guess I just felt frustrated... I have had bad experiences in forums, don't worry, I can appreciate what you are saying :)
Peace.
 
I do believe there was a study done some years ago in which the subjects (all men) were put on a very strict regimen of nearly no calories. The subjects began exhibiting may psychological problems, including OCD tendencies, obsessing about food, collecting and hoarding things like recipes, exercising, etc.

I'll try to search for the study and link it.

Yep, it's summarized here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Starvation_Experiment

From another site's summary:

...from Keys et al. (1950) with permission of the University of Minnesota Press.

As starvation progressed, the number of men who toyed with their food increased. They made what under normal conditions would be weird and distasteful concoctions, (p. 832). . . Those who ate in the common dining room smuggled out bits of food and consumed them on their bunks in a long-drawn-out ritual, (p. 833). . . Toward the end of starvation some of the men would dawdle for almost two hours after a meal which previously they would have consumed in a matter of minutes, (p. 833). . . Cookbooks, menus, and information bulletins on food production became intensely interesting to many of the men who previously h ad little or no interest in dietetics or agriculture, (p. 833). The volunteers? often reported that they got a vivid vicarious pleasure from watching other persons eat or from just smelling food. (p. 834)

...While working in a grocery store, another man suffered a complete loss of will power and ate several cookies, a sack of popcorn, and two overripe bananas before he could "regain control" of himself. He immediately suffered a severe emotional upset, with nausea, and upon returning to the laboratory he vomited. . .He was self-deprecatory, expressing disgust and self-criticism. (p. 887)

One man was released from the experiment at the end of the semistarvation period because of suspicions that he was unable to adhere to the diet. He experienced serious difficulties when confronted with unlimited access to food "He repeatedly went through the cycle of eating tremendous quantities of food, becoming sick, and then starting all over again" (p. 890). During the refeeding phase of the experiment, many of the men lost control of their appetites and "ate more or less continuously" (p. 843).

Even after 12 weeks of refeeding, the men frequently complained of increased hunger immediately following a large meal.

One of the volunteers? ate immense meals (a daily estimate of 5,000-6,000 cal.) and yet started "snacking" an hour after he finished a meal. Another? ate as much as he could hold during the three regular meals and ate snacks in the morning, afternoon and evening. (p. 846). Several men had spells of nausea and vomiting. One man required aspiration and hospitalization for several days. (p. 843)

During the weekends in particular, some of the men found it difficult to stop eating. Their daily intake commonly ranged between 8,000 and 10,000 calories...

The experimental procedures involved selecting volunteers who were the most physically and psychologically robust. "The psychobiological 'stamina' of the subjects was unquestionably superior to that likely to be found in any random or more generally representative sample of the population" (pp. 915-916).

Although the subjects were psychologically healthy prior to the experiment, most experienced significant emotional deterioration as a result of semistarvation. Most of the subjects experienced periods during which their emotional distress was quite severe; almost 20% experienced extreme emotional deterioration that markedly interfered with their functioning. Depression became more severe during the course of the experiment. Elation was observed occasionally, but this was inevitably followed by "low periods." Mood swings were extreme for some of the volunteers:

One subject? experienced a number of periods in which his spirits were definitely high. . . These elated periods alternated with times in which he suffered "a deep dark depression." (p. 903)

Irritability and frequent outbursts of anger were common, although the men had quite tolerant dispositions prior to starvation. For most subjects, anxiety became more evident. As the experiment progressed, many of the formerly even-tempered men began biting their nails or smoking because they felt nervous. Apathy also became common, and some men who had been quite fastidious neglected various aspects of personal hygiene. During semistarvation, two subjects developed disturbances of "psychotic" proportions. During the refeeding period, emotional disturbance did not vanish immediately but persisted for several weeks, with some men actually becoming more depressed, irritable, argumentative, and negativistic than they had been during semistarvation. After two weeks of refeeding, one man reported his extreme reaction in his diary:

I have been more depressed than ever in my life. . .I thought that there was only one thing that would pull me out of the doldrums, that is release from C.P.S. the experiment? I decided to get rid of some fingers. Ten days ago, I jacked up my car and let the car fall on these fingers. . .It was premeditated. (pp. 894-895)

Several days latter, this man actually did chop off three fingers of one hand in response to the stress.
 
This appears to be a study of, "starvation based on a laboratory simulation of severe famine". This does not appear to be a study based on fasting, correct?
 

I did some digging on my own then, and here's what I came up with:

This one seems pretty woo, especially when I dug into the Bragg citation. Anyone want to comment on Dr. Bragg or his daughter?
There's this 1928 paper from The American Journal of Psychology. But 1928 is pretty extreme to build a case for fasting.
This looks like a pretty scientific paper, but I can't make head or tail (pun intended) from the abstract. Anyone?
But everything else seemed to be a reflection of this article which seemed pretty woo to me with its discussion of toxins, clensing and the like.
 
Rob,

The third paper studies the fasting behavior of certain arctic fish, who consume vast amounts of food in salt-water locations in the summer and then migrate to fresh-water streams in the winter. Not really helpful for the current discussion.
 
Rob,

The third paper studies the fasting behavior of certain arctic fish, who consume vast amounts of food in salt-water locations in the summer and then migrate to fresh-water streams in the winter. Not really helpful for the current discussion.

Thanks. I knew it was about fish (hence my pun), but didn't know if the results could be extrapolated to this discussion, or any human fasting discussion in general.
 
Rob,

The third paper studies the fasting behavior of certain arctic fish, who consume vast amounts of food in salt-water locations in the summer and then migrate to fresh-water streams in the winter. Not really helpful for the current discussion.

Thanks. I knew it was about fish (hence my pun), but didn't know if the results could be extrapolated to this discussion, or any human fasting discussion in general.
 
Everyone is entitled to do whatever they feel like doing with their body. I'm not sure it's 100% non dangerous to do it, so if I were you, I wouldn't set my goal to do it for 2 days. I would first propose myself doing it for one day and then depending on how I feel the next morning, I could either stop the experiment by having breakfast (but a healthy breakfast with fruits and/or whole grain cereal or something along those lines); or if on the other hand I'm feeling energetic and enthusiastic enough as to keep going, then I would continue.


Question: How many of you unconsciously read "Farting" the first time you saw the post topic?
 
I don't fast though I have tried the recipe for the lemon drink in the "Master Cleanse diet". (Which as a diet I think is a bad idea.)
It's basically spicy lemonade sweetened with maple syrup instead of cane sugar.
I believe the MC people place a great deal of importance on the lemons and maple syrup being organic but just as the claims of the diet are unproven, so are the benefits of organics.
 
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