Fascism and America's corrupt medical establishment

[fuelair]

You seem to know a lot about this. Where did you get your facts from?

At some point in the fact train, they were pulled out of someone's anal orifice.

 

[fuelair]

As to the pure, blatant ignorance about surgery, I am alive today and quite well with an immune system functioning quite well (had MRSA last winter - beat it swiftly with no hospital even thought of) after having surgery for prostate cancer a bit over three years ago. But feel free to operate under your beliefs - the Darwin Awards are always looking for new winners.

 

[CapelDodger]

Italian dictator Benito Mussolini coined the term "fascism", defining it as the form of government that makes the best interests of the corporations more important than those of the people.

You've made a gross error in translation. The sense of corporate in corporate state is not the sense in private corporation.

As to the rest, you should consider seeking professional help. I don't expect you will, but I've done my civic duty by mentioning it.

 

[CapelDodger]

There is some evidence that Hitler attempted to use fluoride to pacify the concentration camp populace. This is where the whole nutjob belief that "fluoride is poison and used for mind-control" first came into existence.

If it isn't backstory invented by the nutjobs and made truth by repetition. If there ever was such a project it wasn't Hitler's, it was dreamed up way down the line. There was no actual problem with pacification : brutality and starvation do the job quite adequately.

 

[uk_dave]

Someone left the door to CT unlocked again.

Deliberately

 

[godless dave]

Did you know that inhalation of even unflouridated water can cause DEATH?

 

[Polaris]

According to that definition, America has a fascist government. The evidence is overwhelming. Most American's tap water is fluoridated. Fluoride is a poison linked to various forms of cancer and neurological disorders. Simply Google "the truth about fluoride" and thousands of articles, videos, etc. pop up to enlighten you.

You do realize that Dr. Strangelove was a comedy and Gen. Ripper's speech was supposed to make him look stupid, right?

 

[Wolfman]

According to that definition, America has a fascist government. The evidence is overwhelming. Most American's tap water is fluoridated. Fluoride is a poison linked to various forms of cancer and neurological disorders. Simply Google "the truth about fluoride" and thousands of articles, videos, etc. pop up to enlighten you.

At last, someone with the guts to tell the truth, and face the potential wrath of the facist-totalitarian state that calls itself our government.

But, my friend-in-arms, you haven't gone far enough. Yes, fluoride is a potent poison (and a potent mind-control drug, as any Google search for "fluoride, mind control" will quickly reveal); but you have failed to reveal the truth about water -- otherwise known as dihydrogen monoxide -- and its toxic effects on the human body.

Water poisoning is a fatal condition, that can lead to death. Studies have linked it to: gastroenteritis, infant deaths, deliberate poisoning of athletes, psychiatric disorders, and numerous medical disorders. Yet not only does the FDA not seek to control this substance, it actively encourages its consumption.

In one of the most blatant abuses of power, for years our governments told us that we should drink eight glasses of water a day; but recent studies have demonstrated that this is completely untrue!!!11!!! Obviously, the corrupt Nazis controlling our government are working hand-in-hand with water providers to keep us all poisoned. This, in turn, keeps us all unhealthy, which in turn guarantees that the medical and drug conglomerates can keep filling their pockets with their ill-gotten mammon.

Myself, I'm going to drink only products that I know are pure, manufactured by people who care only about my happiness, and the quality of my life. Things like beer, whiskey, and a nice red wine.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

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The U.S. Government, including the FDA, CDC, NIH, and virtually every elected official is well aware of the truth about fluoride yet continues to do nothing to ban this poison. Why? Because several major corporations are saving billions by being able to dump it into our water supply, and many others are making billions treating the many illnesses caused by a repeated fluoride assault.

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Do the U.S. Government, including the FDA, CDC, NIH and virtually every elected official, have access to special a water supply without fluoride in it?

Is there a supply of special coffee, cola and other beverages which have been made with pure water?

Do they have a secret codeword when purchasing drinks in places such as Starbucks to get them made with pure water?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

At last, someone with the guts to tell the truth, and face the potential wrath of the facist-totalitarian state that calls itself our government.

But, my friend-in-arms, you haven't gone far enough. Yes, fluoride is a potent poison (and a potent mind-control drug, as any Google search for "fluoride, mind control" will quickly reveal); but you have failed to reveal the truth about water -- otherwise known as dihydrogen monoxide -- and its toxic effects on the human body.

Water poisoning is a fatal condition, that can lead to death. Studies have linked it to: gastroenteritis, infant deaths, deliberate poisoning of athletes, psychiatric disorders, and numerous medical disorders. Yet not only does the FDA not seek to control this substance, it actively encourages its consumption.

In one of the most blatant abuses of power, for years our governments told us that we should drink eight glasses of water a day; but recent studies have demonstrated that this is completely untrue!!!11!!! Obviously, the corrupt Nazis controlling our government are working hand-in-hand with water providers to keep us all poisoned. This, in turn, keeps us all unhealthy, which in turn guarantees that the medical and drug conglomerates can keep filling their pockets with their ill-gotten mammon.

Myself, I'm going to drink only products that I know are pure, manufactured by people who care only about my happiness, and the quality of my life. Things like beer, whiskey, and a nice red wine.

As soon as I get to my son's house in Vancouver next week I'm having a Kokanee_beer^WP. A few of these will purge the toxic fluorides from my brain. Or so I am hoping.

 

[MattusMaximus]

DiHydrogen Monoxide is a poison! It must be banned!

 

[Hound01]

Fluoride is a poison linked to various forms of cancer and neurological disorders.

Let me declare a financial interest here up front. I am a dentist so it would be to my financial advantage if they took fluoride out of the water tomorrow. Having said that your statement above does not have good evidence behind it.
I still remember back to dental school when I was assigned the role of preparing the anti-fluoride case for a class debate. I was unable to come up with any solid scienctific evidence against fluoride (at 1ppm which is the concentration used in water supplies). I could come up with lots of anecdotal woo woo stuff and supposition but no good reliable evidence that would survive scientific scrutiny.

 

[Chris Haynes]

Do the U.S. Government, including the FDA, CDC, NIH and virtually every elected official, have access to special a water supply without fluoride in it?

Is there a supply of special coffee, cola and other beverages which have been made with pure water?

Do they have a secret codeword when purchasing drinks in places such as Starbucks to get them made with pure water?

Well, there are methods to remove fluoride. It is actually used in some municipal areas because the local ground water has too much fluoride (enough to cause tooth discoloration). Perhaps the conspiracy is that these special people have special filters.

Except the big secret is that there are government websites explaining how to remove the fluoride from your water!

The American West is where the effect of fluoride was noticed, the effect was called "Colorado Brown Stain". It occurs naturally in all groundwater, but in higher concentrations in areas with less annual rainfall. Which is why I find the fluoride conspiracy bit very silly. Many people who live in the dryer actually drink bottled water since the ground water is funky tasting (our water in Texas had some extra sulphur, which really worked wonders on my teenage acne). The bottles are huge (five gallons or so), and each of my sisters have a water cooler in their kitchens. One gets her water delivered, and the other goes to a drive in station for refills.

 

[Dorian Gray]

To the original poster:

Regardless of the accuracy of your specific claims, you make one fundamental mistake. To paraphrase Henry David Thoreau, you are merely trying to pick at the leaves on the tree of tyranny - even if you succeed, new ones will grow there in due time. What we need to do is to strike at the root!

You vilify corporations, but corporations consist of regular human beings (i.e. employees, stockholders, customers) who choose to cooperate voluntarily for mutual benefit. No one forces you to do business with any corporation. If you own your land and wish to grow your own food and be entirely self-sufficient, that is your right.

The problems you describe all entirely rest on the government, which claims a "divine right" to initiate aggression (i.e. taxation, regulation, currency monopoly, etc, etc, etc). Only the government can monopolize water distribution, and deprive you of choice when it comes to the chemicals that are added to that water. And the FDA is a violent and unaccountable monopoly that replaces a decentralized mesh of competing quality assurance / certification agencies which would have otherwise emerged. This creates a single point of failure, inevitably leading to corruption and tremendous inefficiency. (Read Mary Ruwart.)

In a free society all sorts poisons would technically be legal, but individual human beings would know that they are responsible for the safety of what they consume, and avoid the products that they don't trust. This would create massive competition among businesses to comply with the highest possible standards of transparency in order to earn their consumer's trust. Most mainstream stores would simply refuse to carry dangerous products to protect their reputation. Everybody would be keeping an eye out on everyone else, which makes all "bugs" shallow.

"To the original poster:
Even though we agree on most things, I'm still better than you because you didn't blame the government enough, like I do.

In a free society, we would all regress back to the rural agrarian lifestyle prevalent a hundred years ago, and I wouldn't be able to tell numerous people how awesome I am because there would be no electricity to power my computer. As a result, humans who made a living by selling products would all suddenly become 100% willing and capable of delivering said products without any bad or malicious ones slipping through, because everyone on earth would suddenly develop scruples and a deep fascination with honesty.

In addition, the lack of trust with food and the lack of infrastructure would lead to reduced travel, increased insularity and tribalism, hunter-gatherers and clans, small groups, and eventually cause devolution. Devolution. Devo-lution. Devo.

It is utterly obvious that Mark Mothersbaugh is our lord and savior.

Think about it! "Freedom of choice is what you want! Freedom from choice is what you've got!" "We're through being cool!" "When a problem comes along, you must whip it!" Battle cries of a wise prophet and his disciples, man! The government suppressed him and Devo to the point that they are forced to subtly indoctrinate our children with subliminal music in Rugrats and informative segments in Yo Gabba Gabba. Truly he is wise and good. Sure, he uses the media that is controlled by the government, but he works in mysterious ways. In no time, we will all be hunter-gatherers in the wild plains, forests and jungles, free from government oppression and poison. I just pray to Saint Whip It that I live to see that day.

In summary, I'd like to say: government bad, you good, me better.

Thank you."

 

[Ladewig]

Except the big secret is that there are government websites explaining how to remove the fluoride from your water!

A debunking that is elegant in its simplicity. Well done.

 

[Hound01]

There has never been a legitimate study done to establish that fluoride prevents tooth decay. The truth is fluoride harms your teeth.

Oh really? On the contrary there have been dozens of studies that show the beneficial effect of fluoride. The harm to teeth only occurs at concentrations far higher than the 1ppm used in water supplies. Even then the damage is a mottling of the enamel and the teeth despite their poorer appearance remain very resistant to decay.

 

[Mojo]

Where did you get your facts from?

I doubt that he could answer this without invoking Scopie's Law.

 

[twinstead]

I hate seagull OPs

 

[Ducky]

I think Lance Armstrong would strongly disagree with you.

As for the rest of the post, I can only say: (as in, you really expect us to believe this "truth" whithout a shred of legitimate evidence?)

Lance and I have more than just that in common. Looks like a tl;dr hit and run, though.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Wow. Once again, bwinwright demonstrates his total dedication to opposing logic and reality. He gets so much wrong here that it's hard to catch all the errors.

Italian dictator Benito Mussolini coined the term "fascism", defining it as the form of government that makes the best interests of the corporations more important than those of the people.

As CapelDodger has pointed out, bwinwright misunderstands the Giovanni Gentile concept of corporativismo, which is the basis of the Corporatism that lies at the economic heart of fascist styles of government. Click the link for more info, but the bottom line is that a "corporate" in fascist terms is not an incorporated business like GM or Microsoft. Rather, it is a professional, manufacturing, or business group licensed by a government that controls that professional, manufacturing, or business activity. Modern business corporations are actually the antithesis of fascist corporates for many reasons, not the least of which being because they are not government sanctioned.

I can't think of any current real world examples that illustrate this concept well, so I have to draw a fictional one: Imagine if the American Medical Association or United Auto Workers union was 1. Creaed by the government, and 2. Put in the position of governing the nation's medical system (AMA) or auto manufacturing industry (UAW). That is an example of what a fascist "corporate" is. It is not the misapprehension that bwinwright holds. A fascist corporate would exist to govern a nations businesses. Or to take their place; I'm a bit hazy on which one is the more accurate description.

According to that definition, America has a fascist government.

Any reference by bwinwright to "fascist" from here on out is flawed due to his complete and total misunderstanding, and automatically fails.

... Most American's tap water is fluoridated. Fluoride is a poison linked to various forms of cancer and neurological disorders. Simply Google "the truth about fluoride" and thousands of articles, videos, etc. pop up to enlighten you.

Simple Google "Elvis is alive", "UFO" or "Bigfoot", and thousands of links pop up for those too. The proof of a statement isn't in the number of Google links; at best, Google measures popularity of a site, not accuracy. Rather, the proof of a statement lies in the evidence presented. At this point, I'll defer to Paximperium for the floride myth rebuttals; he's a medical professional, and more authoritative than I on the subject.

Aspartame is another blatant example of America's fascist government licking the butt of big corporate greed. Aspartame is also a toxin, a poison.

Again, Paximperium handles the medical/chemical side well, so I'll defer. I'll only mention the fact that aspartame's reputation as a "poison" was due to a joke article published on a site called "The Spoof!".

In short, the myth of aspartame as a poison is a myth perpetuated by the gullible.

Our big, greedy corporations wanted us to believe that unsaturated fats like margarine are better for us than real butter. It has all been a lie. The truth is "unsaturated fats" are actually the biggest cause of heart disease.

This is utterly incorrect. There are direct correlations between saturated fat intake and increase of incidents of heart disease. This has been validated by multiple studies. Here's one. Here's another. And here's a third.

It's bad to get the science behind a medical issue exactly, completely backwards. Most belief in other forms of woo just gets people confused about history or some other topic, nothing more. But belief in medical woo can cause someone to do unhealthy things that lead to their eventual death. This example here is one such case.

We could go into the numerous cancer cures which have been discovered to work only to be criminalized by the FDA and forced out of the country. Learn about Hoxsey, Essiac, Royal Raymond Rife, Rick Simpson, and many others. Just Google "suppressed cancer cures".

I recognize Rick Simpson out of that list. He's a hemp oil advocate who's provided zero clinical evidence against control groups for his "cure". While there is some evidence that THC slows the growth of cancer, that's a long way from saying help oil actually cures it. Isn't one of the myths about hemp that advocates continually push is that people can't get high from it because it has much less THC than marijuana?

Until I see a blinded study vs. control, his claim is nothing by hype. And we've dealt with bwinwright's advocacy of unproven alt-med before in this forum; he's made no progress towards providing real evidence for his claims.

The truth is surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy do not cure cancer. They only weaken the body's immune system. The only thing that can cure cancer is the body's immune system. Therefore, treatments that empower and strengthen the body's immune system are the only viable forms of treatment. Everything else is a scam.

Bwinwright once again demonstrates his ignorance of cancer. To begin with, there are some immune system cancers; what do we think leukemia is? Or myeloma? Or Hodgkin's Disease?

Furthermore, define "cure". The medical connotation (not "definition"; I'll have to defer to doctors like Pax, T.A.M., and others for what that is) is that the actual cause of the disease is addressed. By that metric, bwinwright's claim is actually half true - medical interventions like surgery, radiotherapy, or drugs do not "cure" it - but half false because the immune system doesn't address the actual cause either. The immune system would merely be a natural killer of the cancer cells.

The common, popular definition of cure, however, is that the disease has been eliminated, whether by addressing the root cause or by simply beating it into the ground. By that connotation, cancer has indeed been cured in many patients. Many choose to call it remission (or even permanent remission), some others use other euphemisms. Regardless, there are definitely those who simply don't see reoccurances of cancer once the initial onset is eliminated. CBS news did a story on such patients back in 2004.

And yes, there is indeed research into utilizing the immune system to fight cancer, and while it is not only promising but exciting, it is not considered to be the only way to truly address cancer. Back in the early 90s, anti-angiogenesis drugs were introduced and showed much promise; they've not lived up to expectations, but they still have their place. But my point in bringing them up is that they are indeed a legitimate way of treating cancer without invoking the immune system.

Of course, intentionally causing heart disease and cancer, then treating it just happens to be enormously profitable. The gangsters behind this grotesque process are the same characters behind the "war for profit" business.

It is a total misrepresentation to paint the medical profession as being gangsters in their field for profit. I won't even call it a straw man because it's not; it's simply a fiction drawn by bwinwright for his mental comfort. The fact of the matter is, most medical progress is not done in a manner to ensure continual milking of the cow, so to speak, but indeed to cure a patient. If this was not the way the medical profession operated, how do we explain the practical elimination of polio and smallpox, for example? The fact remains that medical science and practicing professionals - real professionals, not charlatans like Rick Simpson - work towards eliminating disease, not perpetuating the existence of patients as their clients. That some diseases are complex enough to require decades of research and years of treatment does not change this fact. And that some diseases are resistant to cures does not disprove it; it merely demonstrates our insufficient level of knowledge about the disease. The only thing that changes that is medical research, not unproven hucksterism.