Failed car bomb in Times Square

[Bell]

It could be. But this scenario doesn't seem to fit in with the typical MO of those sorts of nuts. Right wing nuts usually go after government targets (but they don't have the monopoly on that as seen by the recent IRS plane attack) or abortion clinics.

What do you mean? The IRS is part of the government.

Anyway, there is now some talk that there could be a foreign link:

The failed car bombing in Times Square increasingly appears to have been coordinated by more than one person in a plot with international links, Obama administration officials said Tuesday..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/03/AR2010050300847.html?hpid=topnews

 

[Policenaut]

What do you mean? The IRS is part of the government.

Yes and the perpetrator, Joe Stack, was true nutcase that seemed to have no political affiliation and certainly could not be called right wing.

 

[dudalb]

INRM seems to have the chicken little syndrome. "The sky is falling. The sky is falling!!!"

What else is New?

 

[dudalb]

I think that is the safe thing to say right now. Whoever was behind this was a true amateur and seemed to have no real knowledge on the mechanics of bombs or explosions. Besides the fertilizer not being mixed it seems to be a non-explosive type anyway. It looks well thought out from the perspective that he bought the car with cash in another state, didn't sign the registration, took off the vin number, used different license plates, and got the suv into the middle of times square. The only deficiency was the truly important one: the actual bomb. And thankfully the perpetrator was ignorant of even the most basic aspects of bomb making. And he still would have gotten away with some kind of explosion if he stayed in the car and made sure the components he did have went off.

And I think it is safe to say the Perp will be a strong contender for the "Stupid Criminal Of The Year" award.

 

[Bell]

Yes and the perpetrator, Joe Stack, was true nutcase that seemed to have no political affiliation and certainly could not be called right wing.

Ah, okay. TY

 

[Toke]

And I think it is safe to say the Perp will be a strong contender for the "Stupid Criminal Of The Year" award.

Yes, getting the car part of car bomb right is not enough.
Mt best guess so far is some flavour of American nutcase.

 

[patchbunny]

I think that is the safe thing to say right now. Whoever was behind this was a true amateur and seemed to have no real knowledge on the mechanics of bombs or explosions. Besides the fertilizer not being mixed it seems to be a non-explosive type anyway.

After OKC, there was talk about modifying the nitrogen fertilizers available to no longer work as an explosive. I don't know where that proposal ended up going.

 

[Cain]

I don't understand these terrorists. Why don't they go after real Americans?

 

[I Ratant]

I you can figure out how to disable the safety valve you should get an explosion from placing a propane tank on top of the burner it is supplying.

It would make no sense to also have bags of fertiliser there, it is an oxidising agent and have to be mixed with diesel to be explosive, a mistake I made as a school kid.

It sounds like the terrorist were not too bright.

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Always ready with the corrections to make a bad thing worse.
What is it you guys that have to right all the time?
One might question whose bulb is really the dim one.

 

[Toke]

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Always ready with the corrections to make a bad thing worse.
What is it you guys that have to right all the time?
One might question whose bulb is really the dim one.

Come on, it is available in any decent encyclopaedia.

 

[Gangularis]

If he's a Federal Government/Obama hater, why go after Times Square? Isn't the closest thing they have to a govt building the NYPD building, which isn't even a federal facility?

 

[INRM]

They are saying they're going to put more cameras in NYC. How long before they adopt a system to link them all up, use algorithms to identify suspicious behavior

a'la "Combat Zones that See"
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Zones_That_See
- http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-07-08/news/big-brother-gets-a-brain/1
- http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-07-08/news/big-brother-gets-a-brain/2
- http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-07-08/news/big-brother-gets-a-brain/3

You combine that with data-mining technology like IARPA's ACQUAINT, and trust me there are individuals trying to adapt this kind of technology to be able to make sense of images, and you have every single moment of every single day in an entire city tracked 24/7 and recorded, with that data stored, sifted through and dossiers compiled (of sufficient detail that insight could be gained into a person's personality, their thought processes, what they will and will not do) based on everything recorded and visually identified, along with the data-mining carried out on the internet, credit-card transactions and so on. When you look at the picture, you end up in a situation where the government, law-enforcement and so on know everything there is to know about everybody in as precise detail as possible (and could potentially be able to make predictions regarding future behavior). This is very dangerous.


INRM

 

[I Ratant]

Come on, it is available in any decent encyclopaedia.

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And just to make sure, you have to publish it here also.
On some of the model airplane forums I go to, the occasional request on how to build a remote controlled plane that can carry a 10 or 20 kg cargo shows up.
Any number of well-meaning folk will launch into detailed explanations on how to do that.... ignoring the location of the posters, which frequently are Lebanon, Syria or Jordan.
Not a thought as to why someone there might wish to carry such a load just a short distance... say across the border to Israel.. strictly for hobby enjoyment of course.
BANG!

 

[KingMerv00]

They are saying they're going to put more cameras in NYC. How long before they adopt a system to link them all up, use algorithms to identify suspicious behavior

a'la "Combat Zones that See"
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Zones_That_See
- http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-07-08/news/big-brother-gets-a-brain/1
- http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-07-08/news/big-brother-gets-a-brain/2
- http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-07-08/news/big-brother-gets-a-brain/3

You combine that with data-mining technology like IARPA's ACQUAINT, and trust me there are individuals trying to adapt this kind of technology to be able to make sense of images, and you have every single moment of every single day in an entire city tracked 24/7 and recorded, with that data stored, sifted through and dossiers compiled (of sufficient detail that insight could be gained into a person's personality, their thought processes, what they will and will not do) based on everything recorded and visually identified, along with the data-mining carried out on the internet, credit-card transactions and so on. When you look at the picture, you end up in a situation where the government, law-enforcement and so on know everything there is to know about everybody in as precise detail as possible (and could potentially be able to make predictions regarding future behavior). This is very dangerous.


INRM

INRM, can you give me some sort of major event that DOESN'T involve the government spying on us?

 

[abenja1]

They are saying they're going to put more cameras in NYC. How long before they adopt a system to link them all up, use algorithms to identify suspicious behavior

a'la "Combat Zones that See"
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Zones_That_See
- http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-07-08/news/big-brother-gets-a-brain/1
- http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-07-08/news/big-brother-gets-a-brain/2
- http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-07-08/news/big-brother-gets-a-brain/3

You combine that with data-mining technology like IARPA's ACQUAINT, and trust me there are individuals trying to adapt this kind of technology to be able to make sense of images, and you have every single moment of every single day in an entire city tracked 24/7 and recorded, with that data stored, sifted through and dossiers compiled (of sufficient detail that insight could be gained into a person's personality, their thought processes, what they will and will not do) based on everything recorded and visually identified, along with the data-mining carried out on the internet, credit-card transactions and so on. When you look at the picture, you end up in a situation where the government, law-enforcement and so on know everything there is to know about everybody in as precise detail as possible (and could potentially be able to make predictions regarding future behavior). This is very dangerous.


INRM

You obviously have watched Enemy of the State too many times. Any reason why you ignored my reply to your post? Too afraid to respond because I proved your hypocrisy?

 

[WildCat]

Yep, a tea-bagging right-wing extremist:

Authorities have identified the buyer of the SUV used in a failed Times Square terror attack and are seeking him as a potential suspect, two law enforcement officials said Monday.

The buyer is a man of Pakistani descent who recently traveled to Pakistan. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the case is at a sensitive stage.

But what was a tea-bagger doing in Pakistan?

 

[CompusMentus]

Car bombs themselves seem like a good idea from a terrorist's perspective. Much more deadly than suicide bombers and hard to detect.

Al Quaeda have developed a sneaky habit of combining both. With devastating effect. A determined suicide bomber + an explosive-laden vehicle and the rise in deadliness can be exponential.


Compus

 

[MattusMaximus]

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Always ready with the corrections to make a bad thing worse.
What is it you guys that have to right all the time?
One might question whose bulb is really the dim one.

Well, if you are really that upset about it, I suggest you start a campaign to ban the teaching of chemistry in our schools

 

[MattusMaximus]

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And just to make sure, you have to publish it here also.On some of the model airplane forums I go to, the occasional request on how to build a remote controlled plane that can carry a 10 or 20 kg cargo shows up.
Any number of well-meaning folk will launch into detailed explanations on how to do that.... ignoring the location of the posters, which frequently are Lebanon, Syria or Jordan.
Not a thought as to why someone there might wish to carry such a load just a short distance... say across the border to Israel.. strictly for hobby enjoyment of course.
BANG!

Also available in any decent chemistry textbook; like the ones available in school, right?

Seriously dude, chill out.

 

[KingMerv00]

Yep, a tea-bagging right-wing extremist:

But what was a tea-bagger doing in Pakistan?

You heard it hear folks. Case closed.