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The problem with these sorts of hoaxes is that they tend to get taken seriously by the people they're supposedly satirizing.

Using the OK gesture as a "white power" sign started as yet another 4Chan hoax; but was very quickly picked up by various neo-Nazi and other white nationalist groups, who didn't quite realize they were being trolled.

Now, a slight variation of the gesture is being used, in all seriousness, as a white power sign by white nationalists. What started as a hoax very quickly became reality.

I doubt anything similar will happen for the hash sign, given how ubiquitous and necessary it is in many different contexts. This one is likely to stay nothing more than a joke.

Was it ever really a hoax? I know it is funny to trick people into thinking you are a white supremacist but when people do that I believe them.

Also are we having an argument that says essentially the same as someone saying "how can painting racial epithets on his property be anything other than simple vandalism, how was I supposed to know he was black?"
 
I'm sorry to hear that. My mother has just voted for our batpoop-insane right-wing populists, but thankfully she doesn't preach it.
My mom is suddenly on team "the climate has always changed, so climate change is no big deal".

Species have always gone extinct, why should I care if humans are one of them?
 
I for one find Twitter "threads" annoying to scroll through, compared to actual self-contained blog pages. But I understand why they exist and are used. This is the beginning of a quite interesting thread, I think, that demonstrates how social media is used by white nationalist groups to find conservatives and slowly radicalize and then recruit them into supporters of blatantly extremist views.

Thanks for that. I didn't know about the sequential display of likes being in order like that. After I finish this fund-raiser I'm doing, I think that I'm going to finally delete my Facebook page.
 
Good bit of online journalism there. I've seen that path happen with my own family; but from a religious proto-dominionist angle. My mother is convinced that Trump is "G-D's annointed", and for the longest time I couldn't talk to her at all without having to listen to her preach about him. Her FB page became flooded with Breitbart conspiracy theories and crap. Eventually I simply cut ties and don't talk to her much anymore. It's really saddening.

Wow, that's pretty intense.

Out of curiosity, why does she think he's more annointed by god than any previous President?
 
Was it ever really a hoax?

It was originally intended to be a joke; but I disagree with luchog when he implies that it was the white supremacists who were being trolled. The target of the joke was supposed to be SJWs, and the intention was to get them to freak out over a very common everyday hand-sign.

This situation serves to make a point I've tried to make in the past - which is, ultimately there's little meaningful difference between "just trolling" and genuine racism as the Venn Diagram approaches the shape of a single circle. Some users of sites like 4chan still like to (to a lesser and lesser degree these days) pretend that they're not "really" white supremacists, just faking it because they like how mad it makes people. There may have been a point when that was true, but it was long ago; the place is now filled with legions of "genuine" white supremacists, and the "jokes" and memes are no longer exaggerated racist/extremist tropes and caricatures, they're now just very plain and quite standard white-supremacist propaganda. Things like this happen, where a phony hand-sign that was started initially by one troll with the intent of making fools out of SJWs was almost instantly adopted for unironic use by unabashed white supremacists. This should have "ruined the joke", but it didn't, because too much of 4chan's usership are "real" racists who didn't realize it was a supposed to be a joke.
 
I for one find Twitter "threads" annoying to scroll through, compared to actual self-contained blog pages. But I understand why they exist and are used. This is the beginning of a quite interesting thread, I think, that demonstrates how social media is used by white nationalist groups to find conservatives and slowly radicalize and then recruit them into supporters of blatantly extremist views.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1133057510292824065.html

might help you

It was worth a read, but better like that IMO
 
It was originally intended to be a joke; but I disagree with luchog when he implies that it was the white supremacists who were being trolled. The target of the joke was supposed to be SJWs, and the intention was to get them to freak out over a very common everyday hand-sign.


That's very likely as well. I think it will depend on the motivations of the particular individuals involved in it, though; and like most 4Chan/Something Awful/etc. hoaxes, it's a lot of people doing it for different reasons as some sort of accelerated fad. That's how most stuff works there, or at least, it did. Someone would have an idea, a bunch of others would jump on it, it would mutate and develop, and eventually escape into the real world. And by the time it achieved meme status in the wider landscape, the original crowd had already latched onto something else.

This situation serves to make a point I've tried to make in the past - which is, ultimately there's little meaningful difference between "just trolling" and genuine racism as the Venn Diagram approaches the shape of a single circle. Some users of sites like 4chan still like to (to a lesser and lesser degree these days) pretend that they're not "really" white supremacists, just faking it because they like how mad it makes people. There may have been a point when that was true, but it was long ago; the place is now filled with legions of "genuine" white supremacists, and the "jokes" and memes are no longer exaggerated racist/extremist tropes and caricatures, they're now just very plain and quite standard white-supremacist propaganda.


Yeah, pretty much. I used to be a /b/tard back in the day; and 4Chan has evolved, or devolved depending on your point of view, a lot in the last dozen years or so. It used to be just (deliberately) "humans with all the filters removed", and a lot of different ideas and memes fermented there. It was partly responsible, along with similar site Something Awful, for the explosion of the cat caption phenomenon. Content varied from light and silly, to sick and degenerate, to mind-bendingly surreal. Incidentally, that's where the Brony fan developed. It originate on 4Chan per se, but the site provided the nucleus that the fandom coalesced around and exploded outward from. A lot of good stuff came from there, and a lot of bad stuff. One of the largest anti-Scientology movements started there, for example.

Sometime around the middle of President Obama's second term, the site started to go rapidly downhill. /pol/ became the home of the soon-to-be-name-alt.right racist fringe, and they spread out and effectively took over the rest of the site. It appeared to correlate roughly to the emergence of the Gamergate controversy and subsequent explosive outpouring of misogynist ranting.

The expansion of sexism, racism, and nationalism on 4Chan, like that on Facebook and Reddit, appeared to ramp up in the run-up to the presidential election, and I strongly suspect it was part of that same Russian troll factory responsible for it getting as bad as it did. Not that it wasn't bad already, but it was certainly fed and cultivated fairly extensively.
 
Species have always gone extinct, why should I care if humans are one of them?

Because if humans go extinct and that means black people will go extinct and not caring if black people go extinct is some sort of Hitler level, alt-right nazi hate crime type of thinking.
 
It was originally intended to be a joke; but I disagree with luchog when he implies that it was the white supremacists who were being trolled. The target of the joke was supposed to be SJWs, and the intention was to get them to freak out over a very common everyday hand-sign.

That's because you don't understand trolling. There is no specific "target" > The idea is to create something, unleash it on the world and have it spread into popular culture. The joke is the fuse, the media stories are the fireworks display.

It doesn't matter whether th "target" is alt-right nazi type douchbags or sanctimonious SJW harpies. The kid who came up with the OK symbol thing is laughing his head off because his creation got noticed.

The Hashtag=Heil Hitler is one of those once-it-has-been-seen-it-cannot-be-unseen things and the idea is that, every time anyone types a hashtag, a little voice in their head squeaks Heil Hitler. Getting that idea to go mainstream and maybe having Twitter feel a need to change their ubiquitous symbol would defiantly get the writer a star on the trolling walk of fame.
 
It was originally intended to be a joke; but I disagree with luchog when he implies that it was the white supremacists who were being trolled. The target of the joke was supposed to be SJWs, and the intention was to get them to freak out over a very common everyday hand-sign.

This situation serves to make a point I've tried to make in the past - which is, ultimately there's little meaningful difference between "just trolling" and genuine racism as the Venn Diagram approaches the shape of a single circle. Some users of sites like 4chan still like to (to a lesser and lesser degree these days) pretend that they're not "really" white supremacists, just faking it because they like how mad it makes people. There may have been a point when that was true, but it was long ago; the place is now filled with legions of "genuine" white supremacists, and the "jokes" and memes are no longer exaggerated racist/extremist tropes and caricatures, they're now just very plain and quite standard white-supremacist propaganda. Things like this happen, where a phony hand-sign that was started initially by one troll with the intent of making fools out of SJWs was almost instantly adopted for unironic use by unabashed white supremacists. This should have "ruined the joke", but it didn't, because too much of 4chan's usership are "real" racists who didn't realize it was a supposed to be a joke.

The Proud boys is another example. Started as a joke, became a chauvinist boys club, now a right-wing street gang, may become a death squad if given enough time.
 
That's because you don't understand trolling. There is no specific "target" > The idea is to create something, unleash it on the world and have it spread into popular culture. The joke is the fuse, the media stories are the fireworks display.

It doesn't matter whether th "target" is alt-right nazi type douchbags or sanctimonious SJW harpies. The kid who came up with the OK symbol thing is laughing his head off because his creation got noticed.

Exactly how often is something you create associated intimately with a mass shooting? That is something anyone would be proud of.
 
Exactly how often is something you create associated intimately with a mass shooting? That is something anyone would be proud of.

No doubt that aspect of the creation is a bummer but whoever made the graphic op the OK=WP and put it out there for public consumption did what many people are trying to do and not succeeding at. Making your thing "a thing"

So what did you think when you first saw that OK=WP graphic ? That's stupid, right ? a few minutes later you determine that it's a hoax, somebody trying to sell you something that they just made up and trying to pass it off as "news".

You probably did the same thing with FASHTAG.

Now we wait to see what happens with fashtag. Pass or fail ?
 
No doubt that aspect of the creation is a bummer but whoever made the graphic op the OK=WP and put it out there for public consumption did what many people are trying to do and not succeeding at. Making your thing "a thing"

Why? That is epic level LOLZ right there. You need to have a properly sociopathic view to really get into the mind of trolls after all.
So what did you think when you first saw that OK=WP graphic ? That's stupid, right ? a few minutes later you determine that it's a hoax, somebody trying to sell you something that they just made up and trying to pass it off as "news".

No see the first time I heard of it was when police were using it in their photographs. And making people think they were white supremacists, well I said fine I believe you are white supremacists. When people make hand gestures that make no sense in the context of the picture what else should I think? They were proudly showing their white supremacy.

Did it ever really have a urban legend status like say rubber bracelets representing sex acts, or was it picked up by the white supremacists right away? It seems that it never had much traction as a myth before it became fact.
 
Did it ever really have a urban legend status like say rubber bracelets representing sex acts, or was it picked up by the white supremacists right away? It seems that it never had much traction as a myth before it became fact.

This. We're probably talking a matter of days, if that, between its appearance as a joke-meme and the moment white supremacists actually started using it. I would venture to guess that most people, like yourself, first encountered the idea via photographs of white supremacists using the gesture, rather than via meme macro images.
 
Why? That is epic level LOLZ right there. You need to have a properly sociopathic view to really get into the mind of trolls after all.

Not really, all you need to do is ask them why they do what they do. But rest assured, you may know more about trolling than you think you do.

No see the first time I heard of it was when police were using it in their photographs. And making people think they were white supremacists, well I said fine I believe you are white supremacists. When people make hand gestures that make no sense in the context of the picture what else should I think? They were proudly showing their white supremacy.

So you missed that whole thing did you ? The first time you saw it was Tarrant ? That's OK
 
This. We're probably talking a matter of days, if that, between its appearance as a joke-meme and the moment white supremacists actually started using it. I would venture to guess that most people, like yourself, first encountered the idea via photographs of white supremacists using the gesture, rather than via meme macro images.


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Not really, all you need to do is ask them why they do what they do. But rest assured, you may know more about trolling than you think you do.



So you missed that whole thing did you ? The first time you saw it was Tarrant ? That's OK

No when swat officers where doing it. Now I am sure they were just trolling because they wanted people to think that the police are laced with white supremacists and that is funny like burning a cross on a black persons lawn for the lolz.

This was the incident I first became aware of it.

https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2018/07/jasper_police_investigating_wh.html

Now why would this be treated differently than a good old fashioned seig heil? They both convey the same meaning, and both can be defended as trolling.
 
No when swat officers where doing it. Now I am sure they were just trolling because they wanted people to think that the police are laced with white supremacists and that is funny like burning a cross on a black persons lawn for the lolz.

This was the incident I first became aware of it.

https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2018/07/jasper_police_investigating_wh.html

Now why would this be treated differently than a good old fashioned seig heil? They both convey the same meaning, and both can be defended as trolling.

LoL, what a bunch of retards.

So some people complain, probably activists, possibly racists about a gesture they term as offensive and the poor ole mayor swallows the hook line and sinker.

What's even funnier is the police chief's name. J.C. Poe. But alas, not even Mr. Poe actually believes that his officers were making any "white supremacy" signals but the poor sod has to play along and barf up something that any politician could proud of.

I wonder what ever became of their investigation ?

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LoL, what a bunch of retards.

So some people complain, probably activists, possibly racists about a gesture they term as offensive and the poor ole mayor swallows the hook line and sinker.

What's even funnier is the police chief's name. J.C. Poe. But alas, not even Mr. Poe actually believes that his officers were making any "white supremacy" signals but the poor sod has to play along and barf up something that any politician could proud of.

I wonder what ever became of their investigation ?

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If it wasn't as a white supremacist signal why would they be surreptitiously holding their hands in that way? They were either sending white supremacists signals or wanted to be viewed as doing that. And why should we differentiate between real and trolling white supremacists making their statements?

If you tell me you are a white supremacist I believe you.

Or are they just trolls like the troll based shooting in christchurch?

And how much of this was white supremacists trying to troll the libs?
 
If it wasn't as a white supremacist signal why would they be surreptitiously holding their hands in that way? They were either sending white supremacists signals or wanted to be viewed as doing that. And why should we differentiate between real and trolling white supremacists making their statements?

If you tell me you are a white supremacist I believe you.

Or are they just trolls like the troll based shooting in christchurch?

And how much of this was white supremacists trying to troll the libs?

It's the circle game, or maybe their hands were just resting like that. You tell me, you have to have more information on this issue than I do to positively assert that these guys are white supremacists or flashing white supremacist signals.

Maybe you have the foll up on the investigation. If so, please post it.
 

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