Facebook bans far right groups

Stout said:
So is that what passes for nazis nowadays ? My, how times have changed.

That must make the Democrats communists.
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No, it doesn’t work that way. Voting for an actual communist doesn’t make you a communist, but supporting Israel makes you a Nazi.
 
smartcooky said:
You have not been keeping up. They've held 53 of them in the 2½ years. 16 of them have been in stadiums.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_post-election_Donald_Trump_rallies
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To be fair, not all of those people are Neo Nazis. Most of them are just garden variety racists and assorted cretins.

To show the large Nazi rallies it's better to go here.

Or don't, if the aim is to minimize the danger of the extreme right, as seems to be the case of certain posters.
 
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uke2se said:
To be fair, not all of those people are Neo Nazis. Most of them are just garden variety racists and assorted cretins.

To show the large Nazi rallies it's better to go here.
Or don't, if the aim is to minimize the danger of the extreme right, as seems to be the case of certain posters.
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It is quite disturbing to see how many of these vile groups of bastards there are in the USA.... and these are the people that some posters here would like to see given every opportunity to spread their vileness.

Meanwhile, when a violent group at the other end of the political spectrum has their so-called free speech rights infringed, we get crickets!

This speaks volumes!
 
Over the past 6 months how many muslims have racists in America killed?

Now how many have extremist muslims in Muslim ran countries killed?

Seems to me if we are worried about brown folks we are trying to flush the wrong end of the turd.
 
Ziggurat said:
Yes, not advocating violence is usually a fairly clear line (although would people advocating for the US entrance into WW2 against Germany cross that line?). Except almost all the discussion here justifying the banning is based on the identity of the people who were banned, and not the specific content of whatever they posted. In fact, I don't think I've seen a single reference to any posted content which violated Facebook's policies. So I don't really believe that that's actually the line which is being drawn. It smells a whole lot like "offensive speech is violence".
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Saying one is a Nazi or one supports Nazism is to advocate for violence.
 
Are there not terms and conditions for Facebook? That one ages to by clicking?

Seems that if a bunch of people signed up for a gym membership for a year, then get told 6 months in that it is only a Christian gym, there would be some issues.

Not saying there is legal ground, but it is morally dubious at best.
 
Darat said:
Saying one is a Nazi or one supports Nazism is to advocate for violence.
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The bar for who counts as a Nazi has been lowered considerably as of late.

ETA: and does being a communist also mean you advocate violence?
 
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Ziggurat said:
The bar for who counts as a Nazi has been lowered considerably as of late.
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1. Nazis
2. White supremacists
3. Racists
4. Bigots
5. Antifa

These all fall under the same bar IMO, but I have noticed that there are only ever "b-b-b-but what about their Free Speech rights" complaints when any of the first four are booted off a platform like Facebook or twitter or you-tube.

Ziggurat said:
ETA: and does being a communist also mean you advocate violence?
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It can do. Ever heard of the Red Brigades? Rote Zora? Earth Liberation Front? Action Directe? Black Liberation Army? Japanese Red Army? The Communist Party of India? FARC?

For mine, this lot also fall under the bar and if they are on platforms like Facebook, ought to be removed.
 
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sadhatter said:
Are there not terms and conditions for Facebook? That one ages to by clicking?



Seems that if a bunch of people signed up for a gym membership for a year, then get told 6 months in that it is only a Christian gym, there would be some issues.



Not saying there is legal ground, but it is morally dubious at best.
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How is it morally dubious?
 
Ziggurat said:
The bar for who counts as a Nazi has been lowered considerably as of late.

ETA: and does being a communist also mean you advocate violence?
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As I've said before we rarely allow stupidity to be an excuse in regards to breaking the law, if someone who isn't a Nazi is stupid enough to claim to be a Nazi that is their problem not mine.
 
Ziggurat said:
ETA: and does being a communist also mean you advocate violence?
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Calling oneself "The Young Turks" certainly means you advocate for violence and genocide. Violence and genocide is part and parcel of the Young Turks.
 
sadhatter said:
Over the past 6 months how many muslims have racists in America killed?

Now how many have extremist muslims in Muslim ran countries killed?

Seems to me if we are worried about brown folks we are trying to flush the wrong end of the turd.
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Whataboutism. False dichotomy. Leading statement.

Do you think this policy of Facebook only applies in America? Do you think it is within Facebook's power to address killings in 'Muslim ran' countries? Do you think that Facebook taking this action in absolutely any way even hinders other actions in other countries? Do you think America should be held to a lesser, equal, or greater standard than other countries by Americans?

My evaluation is that it is absolutely possible to care about both the rise and power of far right groups in the US and about religious governments (even specifically Muslim ones) at, get this, the same time.

Your reasoning looks to be all over the place. Try refining your objection to the subject at hand.
 
Darat said:
As I've said before we rarely allow stupidity to be an excuse in regards to breaking the law, if someone who isn't a Nazi is stupid enough to claim to be a Nazi that is their problem not mine.
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I'm talking about people who don't claim to be Nazis who are labeled as Nazis. And you didn't answer my question about Communists.
 
Ziggurat said:
I'm talking about people who don't claim to be Nazis who are labeled as Nazis. And you didn't answer my question about Communists.
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Individual claims should be based on their merits, even if reality means one group is consistently more wrong than another.
 
Ziggurat said:
I'm talking about people who don't claim to be Nazis who are labeled as Nazis..
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If you side with Nazis and/or attend protests alongside Nazis and/or spout the beliefs of Nazis such as - "Blut und Boden" and "The Jews will not replace us", and carry the regalia of Nazism...

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... then you are calling yourself a Nazi, and you ARE a Nazi in every way that matters!
 
smartcooky said:
If you side with Nazis and/or attend protests alongside Nazis and/or spout the beliefs of Nazis such as - "Blut und Boden" and "The Jews will not replace us", and carry the regalia of Nazism...

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... then you are calling yourself a Nazi, and you ARE a Nazi in every way that matters!
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Do you think that is an accurate representation of Trump’s rallies?

And are you a communist if communists join your protest against, say, the Iraq war? How easy does this association rub off?
 
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