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Face, meet leopard. Leopard, meet face.

Safe-Keeper said:
They knew what they voted for, and most of the buyer's remose seems to be about leopards eating the wrong peoples' faces. No sympathy.
And no, there will be no 'Come to Jesus' moment for most of them. They're a literal cult.
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... and we don't want to make an effort to help them understand that they're in a cult and get out of it asap.

What can be learned from most of those leopards-eating-faces videos is that, no, they actually didn't know what they were voting for.

I would also love to help people in the Biden-and-Harris cult to understand that they're in a cult and then get out of there, but it appears to be even more insurmountable for Democrats to realize that they're in a similar cult of personality as their MAGA compatriots because they are so busy pointing fingers at the guys in the other cult, which is one of the sure signs that you're ... in a cult.
 
dann said:
... and we don't want to make an effort to help them understand that they're in a cult and get out of it asap.

What can be learned from most of those leopards-eating-faces videos is that, no, they actually didn't know what they were voting for.
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From those videos, it is clear that the only thing they didn't know is that they wouldn't be spared from the consequences of their choices.

It is always so for people who vote in the hope of seeing some categories to suffer or some of their selfish interests being fulfilled. Then when the ineluctable consequences descend on them too, then starts the whining about how it's the others who should be suffering, not themselves. Difficult to feel sorry for them …
 
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Flo said:
From those videos, it is clear that the only thing they didn't know is that they wouldn't be spared from the consequences of their choices.

It is always so for people who vote in the hope of seeing some categories to suffer or some of their selfish interests being fulfilled. Then when the ineluctable consequences descend on them too, then starts the whining about how it's the others who should be suffering, not themselves. Difficult to feel sorry for them …
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The usual cry: The wrong people are being hurt!
 
shemp said:
More leopards eating faces.
They voted for Trump in 2024. Months later, his administration fired them
Michael Graugnard said he voted for President Donald Trump in the 2024 election because he felt Trump was the best candidate to improve the economy.But three months into his new role as an attorney advisor for the US Department of Agriculture, Graugnard was laid off along with thousands of other federal employees. The termination, Graugnard said, came as a surprise given his managers had assured him his job was safe.
“I was devastated,” Graugnard told CNN, adding this was his dream job and he had just moved to Little Rock, Arkansas, with his pregnant wife and toddler for the position. “I was expecting to spend the rest of my life doing it.”
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Let's talk about this, Michael!
What made you think that Trump had any intentions of improving the economy?
But let's start with your idea of 'the economy': What exactly do you think it is? What do you think Trump thinks it is? And what do you think Musk thinks it is? Do you have reason to believe that the three of you were thinking of the same thing?
I assume that you know about Trump's mismanagement of his own investments - and of other people's investments. Or is your idea of Trump as "the best candidate to improve the economy" based on what you saw on The Apprentice?
Did you know what Musk did to Twitter employees after he bought the company?
shemp said:
More leopards eating faces.
They voted for Trump in 2024. Months later, his administration fired them
James Diaz, a veteran recently fired from his job at the IRS, told CNN’s Laura Coates that while he stands by his vote for Trump, he disagrees with how the administration is handling the mass layoffs.
His performance reviews indicated he was meeting or exceeding expectations, Diaz said.
“I don’t think they are doing a very good job of finding out exactly what needs to be cut,” Diaz said. “I think they are just taking a chain saw to it instead of doing some critical thinking and doing some investigations to see what is good and what is bad.”
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What made you think that Trump and Musk weren't going to use a chainsaw? What made you think that they would start slowly and cautiously by "doing some critical thinking and doing some investigations"? Was that what he said he was going to do from "day one"?

shemp said:
More leopards eating faces.
They voted for Trump in 2024. Months later, his administration fired them
A former worker at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, who asked not to be named, said she was laid off just three weeks into her new job.
She said she hoped Trump would improve the economy by creating more job opportunities and reducing inflation, and did not expect his administration to go after probationary workers.
“If I’d known that I would never have voted for him,” she said.
“This is going to completely tarnish the presidency,” she said. “This isn’t the way that our democracy works, and I don’t understand why (Trump) thinks this is acceptable.”
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What made you think that you had reason to hope that "Trump would improve the economy by creating more job opportunities and reducing inflation"? Did he ever specify how exactly he was going to create those jobs in the sky that he promised to deliver?
There is a thing you need to know about representative democracy: That is exactly how it works! Candidates make all sorts of promises to get elected, and once elected, they, not you, get to decide. They become the deciders. And more often than not, the decisions made by those deciders have very little to do with what they promised you and other voters, and much more to do with the promises they made to the people who paid for their campaigns. And in this case that would be Elon Musk and the other billionaires.
That is just "the way that our democracy works." What you hope they'll do doesn't matter much - and not at all, once they're elected.

shemp said:
More leopards eating faces.
They voted for Trump in 2024. Months later, his administration fired them
Ryleigh Cooper said she voted for Trump in November because he promised to make in vitro fertilization available for free.
Cooper said doctors had told her IVF might be her only option for conceiving a child.
“Going into the voting booth, the main thing on my mind was … I want to be a mom,” Cooper told CNN’s Laura Coates.
Last month, Cooper was laid off from her job at the US Forest Service. She told Coates she now regrets supporting Trump.
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You are right. Trump did indeed make that promise, but in the meantime he has toned it down. It has now been reduced to expanding access to and affordability of in vitro fertilization. And you never know what members of the billionaire class think is affordable.
But when you were standing in that voting booth, did it ever cross your mind what else Trump said? Did it ever occur to you what he said about reductions in public spending? About getting rid of federal jobs that he considers to be superfluous? And these are just a few of the things that might affect you directly.
Did you consider what he would do to immigrants? To people of color? To LGBTQ people? To women? (DEI!) Did it occur to you that a guy whose mantra (or at least one of them) is Drill, baby, drill might not be particularly interested in conserving nature or the access to it for anybody other than Big Oil?
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/08/us/fired-federal-workers-trump-voters/index.html
shemp said:
GO. ◊◊◊◊. YOURSELVES.
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Feeling better now, shemp?! Have you had time to calm down?
 
Flo said:
From those videos, it is clear that the only thing they didn't know is that they wouldn't be spared from the consequences of their choices.

It is always so for people who vote in the hope of seeing some categories to suffer or some of their selfish interests being fulfilled. Then when the ineluctable consequences descend on them too, then starts the whining about how it's the others who should be suffering, not themselves. Difficult to feel sorry for them …
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Who asked you to feel sorry for them?
They have now experienced "the consequences of their choices," which is a good starting point for making them see what they now have in common with the other victims of the USA. Some of them may even experience how being homeless is something that is forced on them and not something they choose. Others will experience what it's like to lose access to health care.
Some of them may even be able to understand that it's not the (other) homeless and unemployed people who took their jobs, their health care and their homes away from them.
But feel free to continue to blame them for whining instead. It seems to be a gratifying feeling for many of you.
I would try to tell them about the people who benefit from the process of impoverishment that they are now going through, i.e. make them find somebody other than the other impoverished to blame as scapegoats for what they're going through:
 
Norman Alexander said:
The usual cry: The wrong people are being hurt!
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And you counter the usual cry with: No, the right people are being hurt!
You may not have noticed, but Trump is still in charge, and Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg etc. are still billionaires. They don't seem to hurt one bit.
(And even if they were, that's not the point! Far too many people seem to be occupied with finding signs that they are hurting*: Look, Tesla stocks are down! Yes, and so what? Does that help a single one of the poor people who are actually hurting? Does it remove the MAGA leaders' power to hurt people?)

ETA: This is what's so amazing about capitalism and representative democracy:
The oligarchs have free rein of the system, and ordinary people, reduced to voters, are busy blaming each other.
And while Democratic voters are busy blaming the MAGA voters for whatever Trump and Musk are doing, it doesn't occur to them to blame themselves for stuff like this:
Under both Trump and Biden-Harris, US oil and gas production surged, despite different energy goals (Alaska Beacon, Sep 11, 2024)
The United States is producing more oil and natural gas today than ever before, and far more than any other country. So, what roles did the Trump-Pence and Biden-Harris administrations play in this surge?
The answer might surprise you, given the way each has talked publicly about fossil fuels: former President Donald Trump embracing them, and President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris focusing on reducing fossil fuel use to fight climate change.
Under each of the three most recent presidencies, Republican and Democratic alike, U.S. oil and gas production was higher at the end of the administration’s term than at the beginning.
(...)
However, the Biden-Harris administration also gave the go-ahead for the nation’s largest oil drilling operation, ConocoPhillips’ vast Willow project in Alaska. And the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, considered the administration’s signature climate law, included additional oil and gas leasing and incentives to capture carbon dioxide for use in enhanced oil recovery.
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shemp said:
GO. ◊◊◊◊. YOURSELVES.
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* ETA: https://internationalskeptics.com/forums/index.php?threads/trumps-second-term.372888/post-14517023
 
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dann said:
Who asked you to feel sorry for them?
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They obviously do.

They have now experienced "the consequences of their choices," which is a good starting point for making them see what they now have in common with the other victims of the USA.
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I very much doubt it. Same people here in Europe, same extreme-right/left, with the same propaganda, the same scapegoats, the same promises, and in fine the same agenda (aggrandise and enrich themselves). Same warnings and same predictions of suffering for all and not just the designated scapegoats have been given and explained, same whining for the same consequences, but I'm still waiting for them to realise the truth of the matter.

But feel free to continue to blame them for whining instead. It seems to be a gratifying feeling for many of you.
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No, it isn't. On the contrary, it is tiresome and depressing.

I would try to tell them about the people who benefit from the process of impoverishment that they are now going through, i.e. make them find somebody other than the other impoverished to blame as scapegoats for what they're going through:
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They have been told about it, repeatedly!
 
Flo said:
They obviously do.

I very much doubt it. Same people here in Europe, same extreme-right/left, with the same propaganda, the same scapegoats, the same promises, and in fine the same agenda (aggrandise and enrich themselves). Same warnings and same predictions of suffering for all and not just the designated scapegoats have been given and explained, same whining for the same consequences, but I'm still waiting for them to realise the truth of the matter.
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That's a mistake! I wasn't talking about "waiting for them the realize the truth." What I said was that it is "a good starting point for making them see ..."
Flo said:
No, it isn't. On the contrary, it is tiresome and depressing.
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So why continue doing it?!
Flo said:
They have been told about it, repeatedly!
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Some of them may have been told. Many of them haven't been told. Cults are usually good at that kind of thing.
By the way, I'm not talking about telling them to vote for the other ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ instead.
 
It's as if some people have had the last eight years erased from their minds. The cries of "give him a chance!" and "see, now they're seeing that Dump's policies are detrimental, that's a great starting point, they'll see the light soon!" is just tiring at this point. We're had his disastrous policies for four years. A million Americans died. They still worship him like a god because reality is what they want it to be. How many of those remorseful fascists (or fascism enables) will go through a grief period and then resume their blind devotion to Daddy Drumpf? Probably most of them.

They're in a cult. They won't leave it maybe ever, and no, you can't just help them leave. Cult deprogramming can be incredibly difficult even when it's just one person. In this case it's 70 million. Going "well help them leave the cult" just shows an ignorance of what we're up against.
 
Orphia Nay said:
They are the ◊◊◊◊ your feelings party. Not the Dems. Don't become what you hate.
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As much as I want to see these people eat as much ◊◊◊◊ as possible, I would never try to actively harm them and make their lives worse. I vote consistently to give them access to healthcare, to provide their children access to education, to protect them from disease, to keep their environments and work places safe, and to make sure they have access to valuable social services.

That’s the difference between me and them.
 
Thermal said:
Not expecting Canada to be welcoming yanks of any flavor right about now. Nor Greenland. Nor Mexic. Nor most Central American ◊◊◊◊ hole countries, as i believe they like to refer to them as. Maybe Argentina is nice?
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It depends on who they are. People like my wife, who moved here and are becoming citizens, not just in the legal sense but with all that it entails are fine and I welcome them all day long. She is studying Canadian history, learning french and when she gets her citizenship in a few weeks, she intends to drop her american citizenship.

On the other hand, there are a number of americans who move here, obtain the legal paperwork to stay but still consider themselves americans first who are living in Canada. Many of them put up a stars and stripes flag on their front lawn, join republican and democrat abroad clubs, put signs on their lawn during american elections and generally spend their time telling us how we should be doing things more like the US. Those people are welcome to stay where they are.
 
johnny karate said:
As much as I want to see these people eat as much ◊◊◊◊ as possible, I would never try to actively harm them and make their lives worse. I vote consistently to give them access to healthcare, to provide their children access to education, to protect them from disease, to keep their environments and work places safe, and to make sure they have access to valuable social services.

That’s the difference between me and them.
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Maga eats their own relatives.

The country’s bitterly tribal politics are spilling into text chains, social media posts and heated conversations as Americans absorb the reality of cost-cutting measures directed by President Donald Trump and carried out by billionaire Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency. Expecting sympathy, some axed workers are finding family and friends who instead are steadfast in their support of what they see as a bloated government’s waste.

“I’ve been treated as a public enemy by the government and now it’s bleeding into my own family,” says 24-year-old Luke Tobin, who was fired last month from his job as a technician with the U.S. Forest Service in Idaho’s Nez Perce National Forest.
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Tobin’s job loss sent him scurrying to fill prescriptions before he lost his health insurance and filling out dozens of applications to find whatever work he can, even if it’s at a fast-food restaurant. But some relatives reacting to his firing as “what has to happen to make the government great again” has been one of the worst parts of the entire ordeal.
“They can’t separate their ideology and their politics from supporting their own family and their own loved ones,” says Tobin.

Kristin Jenn got a similar response from members of her family after she learned the National Park Service ranger job she was due to start had been put on hold by the DOGE hiring freeze. She thinks it’s likely the job will be eliminated altogether.

As she has expressed her disappointment over potentially losing her dream job, some members of her mostly conservative family have unfriended her on social media. Others are giving her the silent treatment. Nearly all favor such cuts even if she’s a victim of them
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I know people in this situation, and I have maga relatives; this is just what they do.
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Hispanic American citizen pulled over, detained & cuffed by ICE, questions his vote for Trump

Jensy Machado is a naturalized U.S. citizen — and Hispanic. In 2024, he voted for Trump. This week, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents pulled him over. They detained and handcuffed him — despite his protests that he was not an "illegal."
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Machado said he was driving to work Wednesday with two other men when he was stopped by ICE agents on Lomond Drive in Manassas, a short distance from his home. He said he was confused by what was happening, why agents surrounded the pickup truck.

He said the agents said the name of a man they were seeking for a deportation order, someone who had given Machado's home address. Machado told them that wasn't his name — he didn't know anyone by that name — and offered to show them his real ID compliant Virginia driver's license.
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"I voted for Trump last election but, because I thought it was going to be the things, you know, like … just go against criminals, not every Hispanic-looking, like – that they will assume that we are all illegals. That's what they're doing now, they're just following Hispanic people."
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Idiot.
 
Norman Alexander said:
MAGA voters: Any statement you make that starts: "But I thought Trump was only gonna..." will be wrong. 100% wrong. Yes, he IS gonna. And he's gonna do it to YOU. You're his target, you're his patsy, his mark. You're the willing idiots, the Kremlin stooges.
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And you were told so !
 
"Now it's, like, 'You knew this was coming!' But we didn't, like, nobody that I've talked to understood the devastation that having this administration in office would do to our lives but other people that we love and care about, too."

That's because you live in a MAGA bubble and weren't listening to anyone but FOX, Newsmax and/or OAN.
I bet this idiot believed the 2020 election was rigged and stolen, too.
 
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