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Existence vs Awareness

No, in fact the rock has actually devolved, from its "higher form" called a rock.


No, it has neither evolved or devolved. It has just had forces acting on it that made it into a bunch of smaller rocks. What about if I gain or lose weight, am I evolving or devoloving or merely changing?
 
On a skeptic's site? Yes, God forbid you might actually learn something.

Well, my opinion is that your contributions don't do anything to further learning something. But, that is my opinion. One which I am entitled to have, and voice; and which you can disagree with.

Now, returning to the issue at hand. What did you mean by you know my "orientation"?
 
What about if I gain or lose weight, am I evolving or devoloving or merely changing?
Depends on how you look at it. If you were starving and gained weight, that would be a progressive evoutionary change for the better. If, however, you had become obese, and could no longer function and maintain the vitality you once had, that would be a progressive devolutionary change for the worse. Of course this would all be contingent upon whether your life was important to you or not in the first place.
 
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Depends on how you look at it. If you were starving and gained weight, that would be a progressive/evoutionary change for the better. If, however, you had become obese, and were no longer capable of functioning and maintaining the vitality you once had, that would be a progressive/devolutionary change for the worse. Of course this would all be contingent upon whether your life was important to you or not in the first place.

So you're defining any change whatsoever as evolution/devolution. Good luck with that.
 
No, it has neither evolved or devolved. It has just had forces acting on it that made it into a bunch of smaller rocks. What about if I gain or lose weight, am I evolving or devoloving or merely changing?
Do you believe that the Universe tends to unfold in an orderly and progressive manner? Yes or no?
 
So you're defining any change whatsoever as evolution/devolution. Good luck with that.
I'm speaking of an apparent state of nothingness, ere the Big Bang, to the point to where we have an abundance of many, many things. Now how did it get this way, if it did not evolve (over time) in order to do so?
 
I'm speaking of an apparent state of nothingness, ere the Big Bang, to the point to where we have an abundance of many, many things. Now how did it get this way, if it did not evolve (over time) in order to do so?

Ah, so you want someone to condense into an internet post, a subject on which entire books have been written and on which some scientists spend entire careers. Good luck with that too.

If you are REALLY interested in an answer to your question (and, frankly, I doubt you are) go to your local community college and sign up for a few physics, astronomy and/or biology classes (it ought to be relatively cheap) and go from there as curiousity dictates. I could also reccomend the book A Brief History of Time, by Stephen Hawking.
 
Ah, so you want someone to condense into an internet post, a subject on which entire books have been written and on which some scientists spend entire careers. Good luck with that too.
What's that? Studying how the Universe could evolve without something to guide it?

If you are REALLY interested in an answer to your question (and, frankly, I doubt you are) go to your local community college and sign up for a few physics, astronomy and/or biology classes (it ought to be relatively cheap) and go from there as curiousity dictates. I could also reccomend the book A Brief History of Time, by Stephen Hawking.
Yes, it is sad to say that I have no other material I can refer you to at this time. So, I guess you'll just have to put up with me. ;)
 
What's that? Studying how the Universe could evolve without something to guide it?

Yes, it is sad to say that I have no other material I can refer you to at this time. So, I guess you'll just have to put up with me. ;)

And thus you'll just keep spouting your questions without ever listening to answers, or directions to find your answers.
 
What's that? Studying how the Universe could evolve without something to guide it?

By your definition of evolve, it would be fair to say that. Some scientists spend their whole careers on just one little aspect of that question, i.e. on why the universe has stars and planets and galaxies instead of a uniform distribution of dust from one end of the universe to the other, or on the question of how exactly stars form, etc. It's all pretty interesting stuff, if you study it. ANd trust me, the answers to these questions and more are a lot more fascinating than "goddidit"
 
And thus you'll just keep spouting your questions without ever listening to answers, or directions to find your answers.
Answers from whom? Those who don't know? Life is puzzle is it not? I'm not sure I can answer it for anyone else.
 
ANd trust me, the answers to these questions and more are a lot more fascinating than "goddidit"
No it isn't, if in fact we all have "spirits" and there is a heaven and a hell we go to when we die. This would be the icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. But then again you would have to be a "spiritualist" in order to understand that.
 
No it isn't, if in fact we all have "spirits" and there is a heaven and a hell we go to when we die. This would be the icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned. But then again you would have to be a "spiritualist" in order to understand that.

I do believe that is the most concrete, unambiguous answer I've read from you. Though I may not agree with it, I can certainly respect that you base your ideas off of it.
 
Answers from whom?
Depends on what your questions are. Based on your ignorance of philosophy and physics I would suggest philosophers and scientists like Hawking and Greene.

Those who don't know?
You are doing it again. That they "don't know" everything is not proof that they don't know anything. You could learn what they know and perhaps become less ignorant than you are now.

Life is puzzle is it not? I'm not sure I can answer it for anyone else.
You most certainly can't answer it for yourself with your head stuck in the sand spouting illogical statements derived from fallacious logic and arguing from ignorance. And certainly no reasonable person would care about your nonsense. So why post here at all? You offer no answers. We know the questions. We know that science has been making a lot of progress by assuming the answer can be found and not sticking their heads in the sand screaming "god did it".
 
Jeebus, Iacchus, all you really want is for someone to say there is a God and it designed the universe.

Okay.

There is a god and it designed the universe.
 
Some scientists spend their whole careers on just one little aspect of that question, i.e. on why the universe has stars and planets and galaxies instead of a uniform distribution of dust from one end of the universe to the other, or on the question of how exactly stars form, etc.
No, didn't you know, this is how stars are formed ...

The New Church in Heaven

15 This prompts the experience I had in the fall of 1986 (November?), which speaks of the New Church in heaven before it sets down on earth (as mentioned in Judith). And I had dream, where I was approached by a young woman who reminded me of my sister Cindy—her innocence. I was standing on a dirt road, near a field about ready to be plowed, and it was a gray evening. And she approached asking about God, I don't recall what, but I suggested she talk to the Father in Heaven and pointed straight up. Looking up at the same time, there it was, a huge shiny full moon, and it was magnificent! When I looked down the young woman was gone. But I looked up again and there they were, two beautiful full moons talking to each other! Across her moon ran a thin dark cloud, or something to that effect.

16 And I was astounded, and thought surely it was a great sign, while all around me in every direction, stars began shooting up to heaven (perhaps a thousand?). This was equally impressive, and I knew these were other people being lifted up to heaven. This went on for three or four seconds and I suspected it would soon be my turn, but I wasn't sure when and, I was hesitant to follow. Looking to where the young woman first stood (to my left), there appeared another woman, and on her head she wore a globe, looking similar to an outdoor light fixture and appearing like a moon. And there was gas swirling around inside, as she "tried" igniting it. A vivid reflection of her indecision, which was a reflection of mine! And I said to myself, "I guess it's my turn," and took a "little hop" and shot up like the rest.

17 In only an instant I was in a large auditorium with a large group of people. I sat in the middle of the front row, and up on stage were two or three people, preparing to give a demonstration. (I'm reminded of the demonstrations Swedenborg speaks of in his writings.) But sensing this had something to do with me, specifically, I couldn't sit still. I squirmed in my chair for a moment or two, as I tried to let things proceed, but I couldn't settle down. I don't recall excusing myself, but a moment later I was wide awake in bed.

18 After gaining insight into this several years later, I realized it was preliminary to The Advent of the New Church on earth, that indeed it was the New Church becoming manifest in heaven. And so applies to Revelation 12:1: "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars." And as Swedenborg says in The Apocalypse Revealed, the new church in heaven is expressly implied here—by the moon under her feet! There's also the crown of twelve stars, which suggests something similar to the stars in my dream. Indeed all the elements are here.

19 I also said the young woman reminded me of my sister, which is significant for Cindy comes from Artemis, the moon goddess! And virgin! (so correlating with this woman's innocence). And this was a couple of years before I made the connection!
Just kidding! :D
 

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