Exercise and fainting?

[Jas]

I think you fill out a speedo better than anyone on the forum, El Greco.

 

[Hellbound]

I just saw your profile and noticed you're 31 years old!! Do us all a favor and grow up.

No one of any age has ever talked to me like you are in person. Calling me an "uneducated idiot." It only happens on message boards. I wonder why that is...Hmm!

If we were talking face to face you'd be alot less aggressive than you are now. I guarantee that. If you threw around as many insult as you do online in face to face speak...You probably wouldn't have many teeth left!

You're probably one of those 115lb guys who can't act tough around people face to face so he gets his kicks throwing pointless insults on message boards to anyone who simply disagrees with them.

Notice the first post in this thread and you're calling me an "Idiot". That says alot about YOUR mauturity level..Or lack thereof.

Brilliant.

So, somehow you commiting assault would make you right, is that your argument?

I'm actually 183 lbs., and a member of the U.S. miliatry. I work out regularly, including weights and running. Not huge, by any means, but far from the tiny person you seem to wish I were.

In any case, that really doesn't matter. You are misunderstanding. You are wrong. Let's start formt he top, and I promise not to use big words.

There are two types of calorie, the gram-calorie and the kilogram-calorie.

When calories is used in reference to food, it refers to the kilogram-calorie. The 2000 calorie a day "average" diet is based on kilogram-calories. The calorie listings on food labels in the U.S. is based on the kilogram-calorie. All of this is based on the kilogram-calorie.

So, 500 kcals is 500 calroies, or about 1/4th of the average daily diet. You burn about 150 calories, or 150 kcals, in a half-hour or so fo running (if I remember my figures correctly). 500 kcals (or 500 calories) in an exercise session is not unreasonable.

You also missed this part of the link:

Colloquially, and in nutrition and food labelling, the term "calorie" almost always refers to the kilogram calorie. This applies only to English text; if an energy measurement is given using a unit symbol then the scientific practice prevails there.

"kcal" is the scientific unit symbol, indicating he was referring to "thousands of gram-calories" rather than "thousands of kilogram-calories". You immediately assumed (because of your ignorance) that he was talking about "thousands of kilogram-calories", because you don't know what you're talking about. You either did not know that kcal refers, specifically, to the gram-calorie, or you did not know that "calorie" as used in non-scientific areas (such as dietary amounts and food labelling) refers to the kilogram-calorie.

This is information that is covered in high-school level chemistry texts. Thus, it rather puts paid to the idea that you are an "expert" in fitness and nutrition.

Of course, despite the fact that this information has been clearly spelled out to you, provided in no uncertain terms in the links, and that basically you are the only who seems to think you are right, and the fact that you have no evidence to show that Greco's usage was incorrect, you still insist that everyone else is being childish and you are correct.

Of course, then you tell me you'd smash my teeth in because you are, apparently, too full of yourself to admit error, too happy to jumpo on others for mistakes (whether they made them or not), too insecure to think someone might tell you off unless they had a message board to hide behind, and too ignorant (I'm using the specifically correct usage of the word, mind you) to understand the issues at hand.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

Brilliant.

So, somehow you commiting assault would make you right, is that your argument?

I'm actually 183 lbs., and a member of the U.S. miliatry. I work out regularly, including weights and running. Not huge, by any means, but far from the tiny person you seem to wish I were.

In any case, that really doesn't matter. You are misunderstanding. You are wrong. Let's start formt he top, and I promise not to use big words.

There are two types of calorie, the gram-calorie and the kilogram-calorie.

When calories is used in reference to food, it refers to the kilogram-calorie. The 2000 calorie a day "average" diet is based on kilogram-calories. The calorie listings on food labels in the U.S. is based on the kilogram-calorie. All of this is based on the kilogram-calorie.

So, 500 kcals is 500 calroies, or about 1/4th of the average daily diet. You burn about 150 calories, or 150 kcals, in a half-hour or so fo running (if I remember my figures correctly). 500 kcals (or 500 calories) in an exercise session is not unreasonable.

You also missed this part of the link:

"kcal" is the scientific unit symbol, indicating he was referring to "thousands of gram-calories" rather than "thousands of kilogram-calories". You immediately assumed (because of your ignorance) that he was talking about "thousands of kilogram-calories", because you don't know what you're talking about. You either did not know that kcal refers, specifically, to the gram-calorie, or you did not know that "calorie" as used in non-scientific areas (such as dietary amounts and food labelling) refers to the kilogram-calorie.

This is information that is covered in high-school level chemistry texts. Thus, it rather puts paid to the idea that you are an "expert" in fitness and nutrition.

Of course, despite the fact that this information has been clearly spelled out to you, provided in no uncertain terms in the links, and that basically you are the only who seems to think you are right, and the fact that you have no evidence to show that Greco's usage was incorrect, you still insist that everyone else is being childish and you are correct.

Of course, then you tell me you'd smash my teeth in because you are, apparently, too full of yourself to admit error, too happy to jumpo on others for mistakes (whether they made them or not), too insecure to think someone might tell you off unless they had a message board to hide behind, and too ignorant (I'm using the specifically correct usage of the word, mind you) to understand the issues at hand.

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I never said I'd hit you. I said you wouldn't insult me needlessly like you're currently doing.

I said that if you were as insulting as you are online in face to face speak you probably would have alot less teeth. Though not because of me. I don't hit people.


I just walk away.


Like i'm doing right now with this hijacked thread.




I won't waste my time replying to constant insults regardless of who's right(Though it's obviously me)

 

[Hellbound]

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I never said I'd hit you. I said you wouldn't insult me needlessly like you're currently doing.

I said that if you were as insulting as you are online in face to face speak you probably would have alot less teeth. Though not because of me. I don't hit people.


I just walk away.


Like i'm doing right now with this hijacked thread.




I won't waste my time replying to constant insults regardless of who's right(Though it's obviously me)

No, I only insult those who are needlessly offensive, malevolent, and who rely on self-enforced ignorance to prop up their sagging egos. I'm typically very personable in person, unless you act like an ***** and show the reasoning skills of a 2 year old.

If you're right, just show it. You could shut me up quick and turn the whole thing around in a second if you could prove any of your silly assertions:

1. That the term "kcal" applies to "thousands of kilogram-calories"

or

2. That kilogram-calories are not the standard measure used in dietary measures and food labelling.

or

3. That 2000 gram-calories is, somehow, the amount needed by a person per day (on average).

Heck, you can burn 500 gram-calories in about 10 minutes (if that). Easy to test. Get a bucket. Put in exactly 500 grams of water (about a fifth or sixth a gallon, IIRC). Wait fo rthe temp to equalize with room temperature. Measure the temperature. Put your hand intot he water and hold it there for ten minutes. Remove your hand and measure the temperature.

I'd pretty much garauntee that it won't take long for your hand to raise the temp of that water by one degree, thus meaning you expended 500 gram-calories.

You are obviously wrong, Dustin, as can be confirmed through source material or direct experiment.

You are an arrogant, ignorant prick who refuses to admit the possiblility of an error.

That's why you've been insulted. Not because I disagreed with you, not because I'm noramlly insulting, but because you're an *****. In fact, the only reason I became involved int he argument at all is because of how spectacular an ***** you were being...and I couldn't resist the urge to deflate your over-swollen ego.

And keep believing you're right. The evidence will speak for itself, to those with enough functional brain cells remaining to rub two together and spark an idea.

Huntsman--Do not personally attack other members.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

 

[kittynh]

you know, those photos can be faked. And what if there is just one big ugly wonker of a nose on that face?

More evidence please. Or I am going to have to report you.

(A back shot would be nice also, I mean, maybe you have a fat butt?)

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

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5 See a physician

While it isn't very common, you should be sure there isn't something more serious here so Aardvark's advice is pretty important.

There is a rare heart problem called aortic stenosis which causes people to have problems when they exercise.

It could be you are overdoing the diet and exercise and much as you want to lose weight, losing it rapidly almost never works in the long run. Over exercising on a low calorie diet can result in the vaso-vagal symptoms you are describing. Especially if you are drinking a lot of coffee or other caffeine source.

 

[Luciana]

Why are you guys fighting... this thread is now officially to drool over Greco in a speedo.

See, skepchicks liked it, such a coincidence that so many came!!

If a skepchick ever posted a pic of herself in a bikini, it's likely all servers would be jammed for three days.

 

[Luciana]

While it isn't very common, you should be sure there isn't something more serious here so Aardvark's advice is pretty important.

There is a rare heart problem called aortic stenosis which causes people to have problems when they exercise.

Thanks for the worry, skeptigirl... but I'm easy on that part, as just last year I had an EKG and echocardiogram. I took no chances because my father had heart troubles last year, and it seems that I inherit all things bad he has. And I was totally cleared.

I'm actually loving my water workout!

 

[El Greco]

Strange though it may seem, the attention a nice exercised body draws does not seem that significant to me. Not anymore, at least. On the contrary, it may subconciously predispose many women in a certain way. What I mean is that relatively mature women looking for a steady relationship and/or marriage are looking for a male who will care for them and place them in the centre of his attention. They are looking for a provider. A too-perfect body sends the subliminal message that its owner is too self-centered and pre-occupied with himself and so he wouldn't make a good provider (barring modifiers like money or social status). Which of course is not always true but there is certainly much more than a grain of truth in it. Less mature women or those who are just interested in an adventure are of course much more attracted by such an image. This is also true for more mature women who have learnt to suppress such subliminal messages because they have found them to be too often erroneous. So, although such an image is certainly helpful in establishing a "pecking order" and attracting adventurous females, it may actually be counterproductive if you are after the average female who's looking for a steady relationship. I'd rather approach such women in buggy clothes...

 

[Hellbound]

Why are you guys fighting... this thread is now officially to drool over Greco in a speedo. [qimg]http://www.smiley.webrealite.com/images/love/g078.gif[/qimg]

See, skepchicks liked it, such a coincidence that so many came!!

If a skepchick ever posted a pic of herself in a bikini, it's likely all servers would be jammed for three days.

Sorry, Luci. Seems to be done now. I just really hate pompous ignorance...and I have a bit of a "revolutionary" gene in me. I can't resist a chance to watch arrogance choke on it's feet

 

[blutoski]

Strange though it may seem, the attention a nice exercised body draws does not seem that significant to me. Not anymore, at least.

When I was younger, appearance made a difference in my relationships, but now that I'm mwc, the only real motive is to retain professional currency as a personal trainer. It's very difficult for a personal trainer to have credibility if s/he's not at least trim, if not actually buff.

The downside is that most of my training these days has been very sport-focused. The only way to get credentials in a particular sport is to win competitions, but my *other* jobs prevent me from being reliably in town for races, so I have to go for the appearance instead. At least for now.

Regarding the OT: I'm reluctant to give or even receive medical advice over the internet.

Which is interesting, because I remember years ago, the big sales pitch from 'futurists' was examples of panicked parents getting good pediatric advice immediately from chatrooms, or doctors in Africa looking up new techniques via Lycos.

 

[El Greco]

People... it's almost unbelievable... but after all this... THE IDIOT CONTINUES

I think we have a completely novel case in psychopathology.

Stop with the insults. This is not civil behavior.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

 

[rjh01]

Please El Greco do not derail the topic with a personal attack on another poster. You are an intelligent person who has made a positive contribution to this thread (and others). If need be report him for harassment. Do not commit it yourself.

 

[El Greco]

I think this thread is already derailed (officially, too...). I don't consider my reaction a "personal attack"; it's rather a defense. Look at how it all started ("Obviously something is up with everyone here"). Not that I care much (if I did I'd start a thread in Flame Wars, I'd compose a Larsen list or I'd point out inconsistencies in his posts). But even if I don't care much, I want people who've read this thread to understand that I'm dealing with a stalker. I don't think stalking breaks any rules and even if it did I wouldn't report him since he harms his own image more by posting than by abstaining. But the main reason I posted here again is so that I'll have a handy link to a thread which I can refer people to when I want them to see what exactly Dustin is.

Gee, I guess someone reported me... I wonder who that may be

 

[rjh01]

It nearly was me. I had the choice of either reporting you or making the post I did. If anyone else had made the post I would have reported the post. It looks like several other people agree with me (Lisa and the person who reported you [and others]).

The thread you referred to is 18 months old or so. If that is the best you can do that is not very good.

If you can make a case for him stalking you then report him. Get him banned. If he has not broken any rules (eg be civil and polite) then what is your complaint? I can see nothing wrong with a person who is stupid. Just show that they are stupid without saying so. Then you have made a fool of them instead of making a fool of yourself like you have above.

 

[El Greco]

If he has not broken any rules (eg be civil and polite) then what is your complaint?

rjh01, I think you have a confusion as to what means to be "civil and polite". Civility and politeness -like so many other qualities- can't be delimited by the letter of the law. I can perfectly well be rude, impolite and a total fool by following your posts and asking something like "oh, really ?" at everything you say. This is an example of being uncivil and impolite without breaking any rules. So the question you ask above seems to me naive to say the least.

Dustin's actions have been uncivil and impolite many times, and not only regarding me. Someone else had started a flame thread about Dustin in the past, inspired by his posts in the Politics section. It is not a question of being stupid; it's a question of malevolence. Dustin has been shown to be wrong repeatedly. He contradicts himself continuously (eg, in that 18 months old thread he had just started lifting; now he's been lifting for 10 years). He has insulted the majority of members here (eg, the phrase I quoted above). But he has never apologized; instead he keeps being unbannably uncivil and impolite, trying to look for a way to disagree with me even when I agree with him (eg in this case, by some miracle of Ed, his suggestion of a sports drink was correct, and I even said myself that a sports drink would help - although by no means it is the only thing that would help).

You say that "all I can do" is that 18 months old case. It is not (and just in this very thread I have linked to two more Dustin invaluables, which you choose to ignore, perhaps to make your own case). If I would bother to show you more of Dustin during those 18 months would that change your judgment of my reaction ? It wouldn't, because according to your criteria civility and impoliteness is determined by whether you use words or asterisks.

I want to make a particularly strong point about your opinion that I have made a fool of myself here and that Dustin has been civil and polite (since he has not been banned). I will repeat it in bold for the sake of accentuated brevity: rjh01 thinks I have made a fool of myself in this thread and that Dustin has been civil and polite because he has not broken any rules. There, I feel much better now that I can see it in bold

Lisa does not necessarily agree with you in principle; she would have to warn anyone calling an "idiot" anyone else. This is certainly breaking the rules and I don't deny that. But I wasn't even angry at the time of the insulting posts. It's just that many times I prefer to react exactly like I would in real life. IRL, if anyone had been behaving like Dustin, he would hear those exact words I've written above. And this is where I'd partially agree with Dustin: IRL, he would never behave like that. All this does not mean of course that I can't be extremely insulting without even coming close to breaking a single rule. Oh, I sure can.

Just like for every woo therapy you are about to find testimonials from people who "have been helped", it is equally certain that for every forum debate you can find people who will agree or disagree with your viewpoint and behavior, whatever that may be. But I don't think you really want to play the numbers game in this case though, unless all you care about is the letter of the law. And I guess this must be it, because I have been the sole recipient of your criticism, without you offering not even a little comment on Dustin's general behavior (which, I suppose, is perfecty ok if it doesn't breach rule [x])

ETA: This reminds me of something that had happened to an ex-girlfriend of mine. She used to relax in her backyard during the hot summer days and there was this guy who would stand on the opposite side of the road and stare at her. He would even change his position so that he could still see her when she would go sit behind a tree. This has been happening for two days and he wouldn't reply to questions or requests to leave. Finally, the girl crossed the road and shouted at him loudly "fug off, you jerk!". An old lady who happened to be passing by turned at my ex and sharply reprehended her: "Why are you calling names this boy ? Do you know he can sue you ?"

Yeah, I guess he could

 

[rjh01]

What I think and what you think of what I think is not important. Any relationship between the two is coincidental.

If a person posted 'oh Really?' after my posts I may report them for breeching the rules.

How are you going to stop Dustin breeching the rules? He is not my problem (yet). He is yours.

I will be going to bed soon. If I do not post anything more on the subject in the next 18 hours do not expect me to post any more on this subject.

 

[El Greco]

I don't understand your question about Dustin breaching the rules (though you might be correct, breeching may be more appropriate in this case ). I already said that he doesn't, so I'm not going to do anything. Even if he did I would still do nothing because I consider it more harmful for him to just let him post. If you would report a person who keeps stalking you by just posting silly things in reply to your posts, you'd do nothing because this isn't violating any rules, period.

What you think and what I think may not be important to you, but they have a meaning for me, especially since you got in the trouble of posting your thoughts, which shows if nothing else that you have been at least a little annoyed.

In restrospect, I have to say that this thread has been very successful for me. I have managed to draw attention to Dustin which in itself is more than adequate for someone to evaluate him. There is of course the risk that some people (like rjh01) are going to think that I have made a fool of myself. Frankly, I don't see this as a risk but as a beneficial side effect. Because, if after reading through this thread and the 2-3 links I've provided, one thinks that I have made a fool of myself, then I'd say that person was inevitably going to form that opinion about me sooner or later. Alas, you can't be liked by everyone and I'm pretty happy to make my point to those who know me a little better. Those who know that after 2.5 years and 5600 posts here I've extremely rarely called another poster an idiot or a troll and my doing so here must mean something. Heck, I even supported Dustin himself when he was being ridiculed and called a troll by others in his bodybuilding thread.

So it's actually a pleasure finding out who thinks what of whom and with which criteria some people form their opinions on others. I just take mental notes that serve as a useful future guide, because, as I have repeatedly said, I come here mainly for fun and I don't particularly enjoy dealing with people who either don't like me or who are very likely to be offended by something I'll say. So, taking a mental note that rjh01 thinks I've made a fool of myself (more bolding goodness ) is actually very useful to me.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

When I said I had only "started lifting" in that post 18 months ago I was refering to my time simply being in the gym and seriously having a regime. I've been actually lifting for around 10 years.

Maybe you should ask someone about their post before jumping onto the conclusion it's a contradiction and proceeding to insult them like you've been doing.

Just because someone starts a flame post about me doesn't mean i'm wrong, It only means this forum has alot of trolls in it. Saying alot of people don't like me therefor I must be mean or wrong is a blatant appeal to popularity.


I never attacked you yet you're attacking me constantly and insulting me. I don't see the point in even defending myself anymore in this thread from your insults and libel. So I won't. Goodbye.

 

[El Greco]

Dustin, you don't lift. Not seriously, at least. Not for 10 years, not for 18 months. It's easy to tell because your level of ignorance is abysmal. There is no way that a lifter of even two weeks wouldn't know what a kcal is. I mean, all you had to do was read a food label. But if for a moment we do accept that you actually do lift for that long, then your abysmal lack of knowledge shows something even worse about you. Can you guess what is it ?

As far as I'm concerned you are not even attack-worthy. I have been completely ignoring your nonsense for a long time. It's just that I recently decided to get rid of your stalking and expose you to more people.

And while I've been happily ignoring you, you simply can't do the same. Thread after thread, topic after topic. Even in this very thread, this is the second time you say goodbye. I don't know... maybe you are in love with me and this is your way of showing it. Now that I think about it, this wouldn't be too far off. Remember what Reginald said to you ?

Oh and by the way, adjust your skirt, your homophobia is clearly showing.

IIRC, there were more "trolls" -as you call them- like Reginald who accused you of homophobia...and you certainly know what they say about homophobes. So, search deep in your heart, Dustin, and answer this question as honestly as you can:

Are you in love with me ?

Anyway, I'm still here. And I'll continue posting here with a link to your amazing contributions every single time you reply to a post of mine (I know that you will continue replying, because unrequited love is so painful). And I'll be crosslinking here from there as well. Because, dear Dustin, I'm determined to either get rid of you or make sure that everybody in this forum learns what kind of a person you are.

Finally, I have to say that Huntsman's attempts to educate you have been a failure mainly because he started with very advanced topics. I think that everything would be easier if we start from the beginning. The strange colorful items you see below are called "books". When you are familiar with this new concept we will learn what exactly we do with those "books".