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Examples of U.S. Soverign Citizen (Freeman on the Land) Failures

yawn.

you guys still have never proven FOTL too be woo or false and never will. all your evidence is from the decisions of the corrupt system people (Freeman) are in conflict with. And that is no real evidence at all. You are only taking a opinion based position.

If the founding fathers can become Sovereign (Freeman) ANYONE can. Plain and simple no if's, and's or but's about it. If not the system you live in is hypocritical/wrong/corrupt/evil and must be changed immediately.
 
Bluekush623 said:
yawn.

you guys still have never proven FOTL too be woo or false and never will. all your evidence is from the decisions of the corrupt system people (Freeman) are in conflict with. And that is no real evidence at all. You are only taking a opinion based position.

If the founding fathers can become Sovereign (Freeman) ANYONE can. Plain and simple no if's, and's or but's about it. If not the system you live in is hypocritical/wrong/corrupt/evil and must be changed immediately.
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How can the court system be corrupt if, as you admit is the case, most laws are constitutional? Is it the constitution that is corrupt? After all, it's the constitution that the courts refer to when reviewing legislation. I thought you liked the constitution?

Your dazzling display of knowledge and masterly command of the issues must be too much for me to process. Perhaps you could try again?
 
Bluekush623 said:
If the founding fathers can become Sovereign (Freeman) ANYONE can. Plain and simple no if's, and's or but's about it. If not the system you live in is hypocritical/wrong/corrupt/evil and must be changed immediately.
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did the founding fathers become sovereign citizens, or did they try to form a sovereign nation? (there is a difference)

and BTW, even the founding father would agree, what they did was illegal
 
D'rok said:
How can the court system be corrupt if, as you admit is the case, most laws are constitutional? Is it the constitution that is corrupt? After all, it's the constitution that the courts refer to when reviewing legislation. I thought you liked the constitution?
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Your whole body doesn't have too be infected for a virus/bacteria too kill you.

D'rok said:
Your dazzling display of knowledge and masterly command of the issues must be too much for me to process. Perhaps you could try again?
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once again you can never ever disprove FOTL.
 
defaultdotxbe said:
did the founding fathers become sovereign citizens, or did they try to form a sovereign nation? (there is a difference)

and BTW, even the founding father would agree, what they did was illegal
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they became Sovereign "Individuals" who created a sovereign nation which created the Sovereign "Citizen".

and yes what they did was "Illegal" too the British Throne. However what the British throne was doing was too them was technically illegal so in reality they were completely justified or correct in what they did.

And now we have the same thing happening here and now. But you know since we are Americans and cant do no wrong (exactly what the British thought), these guys trying too become freeman are doing something illegal/wrong and must be stopped.

It's like no one learns from history.
 
FOTL has been disproved. Try and keep up, there's a good chap.
 
Bluekush623 said:
lol it is "quite possibly" pure opinion based, yet set it reality?..i love skeptics choice of words.
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You do not think opinions can be reality based?
So, your opinions in this thread arenot reality based?
Do I have that right?
 
Bluekush623 said:
and yes what they did was "Illegal" too the British Throne. However what the British throne was doing was too them was technically illegal so in reality they were completely justified or correct in what they did.

And now we have the same thing happening here and now. But you know since we are Americans and cant do no wrong (exactly what the British thought), these guys trying too become freeman are doing something illegal/wrong and must be stopped.
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What does 'technically illegal' even mean?
Is it similar to 'technically ungrammatical'?
Or 'technically nonsensical'?
 
Bluekush623 said:
Your whole body doesn't have too be infected for a virus/bacteria too kill you.
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So it's not the whole court system that's corrupt? Maybe just a judge here and there? Gosh, first it's the whole system, now it's just some part of it?

This all seems so much more complicated than I thought. Please go on! It would be selfish if you kept all this knowledge to yourself!


once again you can never ever disprove FOTL.
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The eternal question of epistemological certainty - solved! Not only are you a legal scholar, but you are a philosopher too! What luck!

All of the evidence that exists - absolutely all of it - is arrayed against FOTL. Yet you say we cannot know that it is false. Then what can we know? What is truth? What is justice? How can we grasp the eternal, unchanging forms of these universal ideas so that we can reflect them in our earthly cities?

Why are you keeping these secrets from us, you coy fellow you?
 
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Bluekush623 said:
opinions can be reality based but my knowledge is fact based.
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I've heard of the fact-value distinction, but now Blue introduces a fact-reality distinction.

This is exciting stuff!
 
D'rok said:
So it's not the whole court system that's corrupt? Maybe just a judge here and there? Gosh, first it's the whole system, now it's just some part of it?

This all seems so much more complicated than I thought. Please go on! It would be selfish if you kept all this knowledge to yourself!
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more speculation and semantics on your part as i never stated that it was or was not the whole system. i just said it doesn't all have too be infected too terminate its duty.

D'rok said:
The eternal question of epistemological certainty - solved! Not only are you a legal scholar, but you are a philosopher too! What luck!

All of the evidence that exists - absolutely all of it - is arrayed against FOTL. Yet you say we cannot know that it is false. Then what can we know? What is truth? What is justice? How can we grasp the eternal, unchanging forms of these universal ideas so that we can reflect them in our earthly cities?

Why are you keeping these secrets from us, you coy fellow you?
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No all the evidence is not against FOTL...how about you go read the declaration of independence and constitution, its proof right there that said "theories" are attainable and why is it that everyone who thinks FOTL is bunk will never ever mention the DOI and Constitution?

I mean seriously in America you FOTL skeptics are talking about denying the people the right too become free in "THE LAND OF THE FREE".

the only way that it makes sense is for you people too admit the existence of an hypocritical/wrong/evil/nwo force in government but yet you also deny that too.

And if there is no evil, what is keeping men from seeking freedom?

In short: You people are just completely blind too how the real world works.
 
Still waiting to hear what the US Constitution or the Declaration of Independence has to do with anything.
 
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