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More seriously, a couple of years ago I would have given homeopathy the cynical brush-off with the usual scientific justifications about how unlikely it all seemed, but with a slight caveat that there might be something in it. Can a million happy patients all be wrong?

However, spending many hours doing what the homeopaths tell us to do and looking into their subject has convinced me that their million happy patients are wrong and substantially poorer ($200 for a consultation still beggars my belief) and the homeopaths are mostly delusional, some are plain stupid and some are both.


Thanks to Xanta we are reminded that her noble majesty QE2 [he stands and salutes, but can't quite keep his face straight] may believe in homeopathy, but I'm pleased to say her loyal tax-payers still fund proper universities awarding real degrees that enable us to see through homeopathy's walls of illusion.


Rolfe has it exactly right that they have created this isolated little fantasy world where any outcome can be justified, but it must never be brought into contact with hard outside reality or the pig trough would empty and they'd all have to get real jobs like the rest of us. Or maybe they could just sit and listen to people for an hour, and who knows, they might still go away happy without their sugar and magic water.

Sorry, I still seem to have missed Barb's question. Maybe it doesn't matter.
 
Badly Shaved Monkey said:
More seriously, a couple of years ago I would have given homeopathy the cynical brush-off with the usual scientific justifications about how unlikely it all seemed, but with a slight caveat that there might be something in it. Can a million happy patients all be wrong?
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It would seem so. Which I have to say ought to be a lesson to us all, and it's something I remind myself of every day when a patient gets better even though I'm pretty hazy about what was going on, and people start getting embarrassingly grateful. Fortunately I can balance these with a lot more where I know exactly what's going on, and that if we hadn't done what we did, we'd have a dead animal on our hands.

But as regards the homoeopaths, maybe we need to hear a lot more from the millions of unhappy patients. Trouble is, they tend to shrug it off to experience and stay relatively quiet about it.

Rolfe.
 
They really can't cope with it can they?

I wonder whether Barb/Phil63 is going to stage a retreat in disorder from here now. so they can pretend that they won the battle
 
Just look at the crap they come out with when they think no one else is watching

Crazy Crazy Crazy


"I've had patients undergo an amelioration with their remedies, yet still "put up with" their lingering physical symptoms, which can even become worse than before the remedy was given.

Thing is, the amelioration is overall, so even the intensified physicals are more easily tolerated...they seem to be less of a problem even though they may actually be more pronounced.

It's like the patient can bear them far more easily. They don't usually last though, and I think of their intensification as a hopeful sign if its accompanied with an improvement on the mental/emotional level. That seems to be the direction of cure.

If there is an actual suppression going on, the result for the patient is very different from the kind described above. Patients feel much worse, even if they don't suffer the physicals so much, or if they're gone all together. Plus, other weird symptoms make an appearance and I find myself always wishing I could bring back the original trouble, which usually seems like a better trade off! "


In other words, "Hey doc I feel dreadful, my leg's gone gangrenous, though my headache's a bit better". "That's because I've cured you. That'll be $200 please"

They are probably the most self-satisfied crooks in the world.
 
The stuff on these forums is so surreal I think it would send the vast majority of moderately rational people running for cover. The Canadian guy who came asking about a kidney tumour was treated to an amazing cat-fight between the different factions and zero useful advice, even by homoeopaths' terms.

When they start declaring that homoeopathy doesn't accept the usual rules of logical thinking that the rest of us live by, I suspect most people would smell a rat.

Unfortunately most of the scammed victims of homoeopathy have no idea at all what depths of insanity are being plumbed, and simply fall for the happy-clappy public face of it all.

Rolfe.
 
This is the craziest bunch of CAM folks I've ever seen. Herer they site a study that includes information like

One finding that cast doubt on the possibility that antibiotics increase the risk for breast cancer was that the study found the risk for all types of antibiotics, said Debbie Saslow, director of breast and gynecologic cancer for the American Cancer Society. That makes it unlikely it is the antibiotics because different types work in very different ways, she said.

"There are a lot of things associated with cancer risk that have absolutely nothing to do with causing cancer," she said.

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I saw the study in a Canadian newspaper, and one theory put forth is that some women are more prone to disease - and that would mean they are more prone to Cancer. Thus they would take more antibiotics.

Now for the sCAM version of the story:

Here


Our bodies are not vax or antibiotic deficient, we are ego inflated and humility deficient. Where do we get off tinkering in things we don't even fully understand? GRRRRR
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Yeah, things we don't understand.

More like things the uneducated morons don't understand but think they know more about than people who actually get an education.
 
I just had an ear infection last week. The first thing I did was up my Vitamin C - 1000 mg in the am and 1000 in the pm. That combined with my morning dose of yogurt mixed with flax oil did the trick. I was going to try the bm in the ear and / or the warm olive oil with garlic trick but didn't need to. Within forty eight hours of upping the vitamin C I had no pain whatsoever.
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Isn't 200mg of Vit C about the limit of what you can absorb in the day, the rest simply passing right through?
 
I was going to try the bm in the ear and / or the warm olive oil with garlic trick but didn't need to
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I thought "bm" was the usual medical shorthand for 'bowel movement'. Is that contributor a contortionist or does she have unusually helpful friends? This is taking that 'good bacteria' idea to ridiculous lengths :D
 
Bach has just posted a particularly mad rant against the "trolls". See post here.
now, mark, i enjoy nailing them in the forehead for their illogic and their lies and their bias; i like teasing them by refusing to join in fruitless debates on their own misdefined terms; but i absolutely chuckle with delight every time they go into one of their routines about how homeopaths just don't get the objective qualities of dbpcrtzx0.8444. and they throw in new words and methods like randomization or gaussian epigastritis.
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He seems to have absolutely no conception that he's been painted into a corner with practically every post from Starburn, or Prester John, or p-chan or the rest. Or that the forehead bristling with nails is his own.

Quite the entertainer, is our Bach.

Rolfe.
 
Some little birds snap at their image if you put a mirror in their cage. Or they preen, dance, and try to impress that image. They think it's someone else.
 
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