Eternal Earthbound Pets saves pets after the Rapture. Is it a scam?

[Ladewig]

http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com/

You've committed your life to Jesus. You know you're saved. But when the Rapture comes what's to become of your loving pets who are left behind? Eternal Earth-Bound Pets takes that burden off your mind.

We are a group of dedicated animal lovers, and atheists. Each
Eternal Earth-Bound Pet representative is a confirmed atheist, and as such will still be here on Earth after you've received your reward. Our network of animal activists are committed to step in when you step up to Jesus.

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Our service is plain and simple; our fee structure is reasonable.
For $110.00 we will guarantee that should the Rapture occur within ten (10) years of receipt of payment, one pet per residence will be saved. Each additional pet at your residence will be saved for an additional $15.00 fee. A small price to pay for your peace of mind and the health and safety of your four legged friends.

I'm sort of against this one. If there really were a Rapture, then I doubt these folks would go around collecting up pets. If they have no real intention of following through, then they are taking money under false pretenses and that is criminal fraud. I will admit that it is pretty funny.

 

[Psi Baba]

That is absolute genius. Hell, it's even recession-proof. The statement that it's only available in some states lends it an air of authenticity.

(must remember that...)

 

[GreNME]

http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com/



I'm sort of against this one. If there really were a Rapture, then I doubt these folks would go around collecting up pets. If they have no real intention of following through, then they are taking money under false pretenses and that is criminal fraud. I will admit that it is pretty funny.

I disagree. Why should the religious be the only ones to cash in on the beliefs of the other religious? I've got to see about setting one of these up in a state they aren't covering yet.

 

[Bikewer]

Reminds me of the old "Reverend Billy J. Wirtz" radio ads for "The bank of HIM".
"You can't take it with you, but deposit your money with the bank of HIM and it'll be there waiting for you!"
Hilarious stuff....

 

[Ashles]

So God wouldn't take care of that?

So some people might assume they are saved and heaven bound, but that, come the Rapture, God lacks the compassion and/or organisational skills to take care of their loved pets? They don't seem to have much faith in either God or the tranquility and eternal peace of Heaven.
What else are they going to worry about?
If they've turned the gas off? Who'll water the plants?

If they're that stupid they deserve to be fleeced. Seriously.

 

[DC]

lol i didnt know Jesus plans a come back.

 

[Ashles]

I'm sort of against this one. If there really were a Rapture, then I doubt these folks would go around collecting up pets. If they have no real intention of following through, then they are taking money under false pretenses and that is criminal fraud. I will admit that it is pretty funny.

It's interesting logically.
If they are atheists then they clearly do not believe there will be a rapture.
Therefore they must be taking money under false pretences.
But could you legislate against that?

Is it illegal to offer a service you do not believe will ever be required, but others do?
Does this not reflect some of the bizarre things people insure against? (And I don't think anyone accuses insurance companies of taking money under false pretences.)

 

[Rasmus]

I'm sort of against this one. If there really were a Rapture, then I doubt these folks would go around collecting up pets.

Well .... one would have to look into the specifics of the contract, to see if they could possibly do what they claim to do.

But as long as that was possible I cannot fault them: They are atheists, they do not even believe that the rapture will happen at all. If *they* do not have any plans for the time after the rapture it is rather unfair to claim that they do and that they run counter to what they advertise they would do.

If they have no real intention of following through, then they are taking money under false pretenses and that is criminal fraud. I will admit that it is pretty funny.

If I was clever enough top set up such a service, two things would be true:

I would not expect to ever be held to fulfill the terms of my contract. There will not be a parture or other, similar event. Ever.

If there was, though, I would be prepared to meet my obligations. And, yes, if I was that clever I would indeed have a plan for executing the rescue operations for every single of the animals placed under my care!

(It would be simple, too: Pay 100$ now for me to maintain your account for 10 years. Make provisions that in the case of the rapture I have access to even more money to take care of your pet for x months, during which I will try to find a new home for it. With presumably 1/3rd of the population being gone I'd expect the prices for various resources to go down drastically, too!)

 

[Rasmus]

It's interesting logically.
If they are atheists then they clearly do not believe there will be a rapture.
Therefore they must be taking money under false pretences.

You think so?

I am aware of a certain organisation that does business on that basis: They claim they'll give you a million dollars in the case of an event that they clearly doubt will ever occur ...

(And I think the factor that makes a difference is: Are they sincere? The JREF is. They have the money. Are these people? I don't know, but it would be easy to find out if they have the resources/facilities that they would need to do what they say they would do ...)

 

[Rolfe]

This sounds about as serious as the bonsai kittens. Somebody is 'avin a larf.

Rolfe.

 

[DC]

You think so?

I am aware of a certain organisation that does business on that basis: They claim they'll give you a million dollars in the case of an event that they clearly doubt will ever occur ...

(And I think the factor that makes a difference is: Are they sincere? The JREF is. They have the money. Are these people? I don't know, but it would be easy to find out if they have the resources/facilities that they would need to do what they say they would do ...)

how do they do bussines with it?
for me it is nothing else than a bet. (about JREF i talk)

 

[Ashles]

I like the Terms and Conditions:

If subscriber loses his/her faith and/or the Rapture occurs and subscriber is not Raptured (aka is "left behind") EE-BP disclaims any liability; no refund will be tendered.
Should a relative residing within the rescue location not be Raptured and opts to retain the pet(s), EE-BP will not take posession of the pet(s). No refund will be tendered.

But what I want to know is, what if God is all knowing and all loving and compassionate, and judges some Atheists to have lived a good and moral life and decides they are worthy of going to heaven?
What if the Atheists in charge of the pets turn out to be saved by virtue of good and decent moral actions throughout their life based on personal decisions and their own free choice?
Maybe God will see their strength in loving others and being decent in the absence of a perceived reward and will value this more highly than those who only behaved decently from fear of punishment.

Maybe these pet owners will get to look after their pets themselves after all.

 

[Rasmus]

how do they do bussines with it?
for me it is nothing else than a bet. (about JREF i talk)

They enter into a contract, do they not? Money is at stake. To me, that is business.

 

[Ashles]

You think so?

I am aware of a certain organisation that does business on that basis: They claim they'll give you a million dollars in the case of an event that they clearly doubt will ever occur ...

(And I think the factor that makes a difference is: Are they sincere? The JREF is. They have the money. Are these people? I don't know, but it would be easy to find out if they have the resources/facilities that they would need to do what they say they would do ...)

But if the JREF welches then there are legal procedures in place to ensure they cough up.

If the atheists left the pets to die, who would sue?

 

[Phage0070]

It's interesting logically.
If they are atheists then they clearly do not believe there will be a rapture.
Therefore they must be taking money under false pretences.
But could you legislate against that?

Is it illegal to offer a service you do not believe will ever be required, but others do?

Certainly it is legal! It is called insurance.

 

[Ashles]

Certainly it is legal! It is called insurance.

Um, yes, that's why I gave the example of... insurance.

The difference is we have no reason to doubt an insurance company would pay if the agreed terms were met on any instance (they might fight it but there are legal processes in place for this).
But we might have reason to doubt the independent atheist pet care industry, and in theory there would be no possibility of legal comeback.

So you could have an industry where somebody was offering a service they had no intention to honour, in any situation, but with no legal comeback. And even if you were convinced they were doing this, you couldn't stop them or test their claims.
It could be a scam with no logical way of legislating against.

 

[DC]

They enter into a contract, do they not? Money is at stake. To me, that is business.

i think it is not comparable. Only one side offers something, Its like JREF is betting the woo guy cant do whatever he claims, and they enter a contract, but afaik the woo guy doesnt have to pay anything, or not?
If the woo guy would have to pay 1 million when he fails, then it would be bussines, damn good bussines for JREF that is

but that isnt the case.

 

[Phage0070]

It could be a scam with no logical way of legislating against.

It is already legislated against; if they don't fulfill their contractual obligations then they would be liable for damages. The unwillingness or inability of the plaintiff to appear in court is hardly their responsibility is it?

 

[Beady]

lol i didnt know Jesus plans a come back.

If Michael Jackson does it, why not Christ?

 

[DC]

If Michael Jackson does it, why not Christ?

ok you got a point there