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ESP and Reincarnation

shuttlt said:
And yet as your post demonstrates, this thread is strangely compelling. I know it's not going to go anywhere, I want to escape, but I can't. There are other threads, yet I keep coming back to this one.
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Why?
 
Bob Guercio said:
Why?
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I think this thread is a reincarnation of another earlier thread. The OP is different, and the people responding are different, and the topic is different, and it's going in an entirely different direction, and actually, the other thread wasn't interesting enough to keep me coming back to it, but aside from that, both threads are the same, and I can't help coming back to this one.

:D
 
Pup said:
I think this thread is a reincarnation of another earlier thread. The OP is different, and the people responding are different, and the topic is different, and it's going in an entirely different direction, and actually, the other thread wasn't interesting enough to keep me coming back to it, but aside from that, both threads are the same, and I can't help coming back to this one.

:D
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I remember that thread. Wasn't it a turkey last time around though? Or a dog? My ka is very forgetful sometimes.
 
Aww, you're so sweet. :)

I'm not going to pretend I'm totally happy with this, because it was done in about ten minutes, but it's my little contribution towards raising the happiness level in this thread... I've entitled it "Unbearably Cute"...

 
Pup said:
I think this thread is a reincarnation of another earlier thread. The OP is different, and the people responding are different, and the topic is different, and it's going in an entirely different direction, and actually, the other thread wasn't interesting enough to keep me coming back to it, but aside from that, both threads are the same, and I can't help coming back to this one.
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I think you're right. This thread shares the same blank state as the previous one though. It's just that everything else is different.
 
Bob Guercio said:
Apology,

I'm sorry but I am no longer commenting on ESP or Reincarnation. I've explained my position and I cannot keep repeating myself!

Bob Guercio
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I'm sorry, Bob, I don't see where you DID actually answer my question as to why, if there's no difference between reincarnation and a new incarnation, why it's worth believing in, and why it's worth defending your belief.

You said that you spent years thinking it over and came to the conclusion that reincarnation existed (though rare). Many people have asked you WHY you formed this belief, but you haven't really answered WHY, you just re-assert your belief.

I DID study critical thinking, so let me explain to you how it works. A person has a few premises and a conclusion based on those premises. If all of the premises are true, then the conclusion is correct. A classic critical thinking example is this:

(premise) If A = B, and
(premise) if B = C, then
(conclusion) A = C

Naturally, you can have other premises, and there are more complicated structures for problems than this very simple construct, but it's a beginning.

The problem that we're all having is that you have stated a conclusion (reincarnation exists) and given us many details of your conclusion (it's rare, it's like a blank slate, etc.), but you haven't provided us with any premises. The premises would help us understand how you reached your conclusion, and if there is a fault in one of your premises, then we could help you correct it. Here's an example of an incorrect conclusion due to a faulty premise:

(premise) If a dog is an animal and
(premise) if a cat is an animal and
(premise) all animals are the same, then
(conclusion) A dog is a cat.

You can clearly see in this very simple example that the third premise (all animals are the same) is incorrect, therefore the conclusion (a dog is a cat) is also incorrect. If you could just tell us your premises for reaching the conclusion that reincarnation exists, we'd have more to discuss.

You've said you've spent years thinking about it, so it's hard to imagine that the sum and total of your years of thought has been "Reincarnation exists...yup, that reincarnation, it's gotta be true..." What were the pros and cons you considered before reaching your conclusion? What were your reasons for believing it might NOT exist, that you later set aside? What was the most compelling argument in favor of reincarnation that made you decide that it must be true after all?

Help us out a little here, Bob.
 
Apology said:
I DID study critical thinking, so let me explain to you how it works. A person has a few premises and a conclusion based on those premises. If all of the premises are true, then the conclusion is correct. A classic critical thinking example is this:

(premise) If A = B, and
(premise) if B = C, then
(conclusion) A = C

Naturally, you can have other premises, and there are more complicated structures for problems than this very simple construct, but it's a beginning.

Here's an example of an incorrect conclusion due to a faulty premise:

(premise) If a dog is an animal and
(premise) if a cat is an animal and
(premise) all animals are the same, then
(conclusion) A dog is a cat.

You can clearly see in this very simple example that the third premise (all animals are the same) is incorrect, therefore the conclusion (a dog is a cat) is also incorrect.
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I've actually taught this as part of a Math course at a local community college! I just never applied the definition of "critical thinking" so narrowly.

It really comes down to semantics and now that I understand where you guys are coming from, I'll go along with your definition.

I'll do that but, in reality, it really doesn't matter, does it? It's just semantics!

Bob
 
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arthwollipot said:
I think you're right. This thread shares the same blank state as the previous one though. It's just that everything else is different.
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Two threads on reincarnation and neither of them have any "zip" to them!

Is this because you cannot fit your definition of critical thinking into either discussion?

If so, is there anyway that you can discuss reinacarnation and give the thread some "zip"

And if so, that would be a good way for you or someone else to start a thread on reincarnation.

Bob
 
Bob Guercio said:
Two threads on reincarnation and neither of them have any "zip" to them!

Is this because you cannot fit your definition of critical thinking into either discussion?

If so, is there anyway that you can discuss reinacarnation and give the thread some "zip"

And if so, that would be a good way for you or someone else to start a thread on reincarnation.

Bob
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Did you miss the analogy?
 
Bob Guercio said:
I've actually taught this as part of a Math course at a local community college! I just never applied the definition of "critical thinking" so narrowly.

It really comes down to semantics and now that I understand where you guys are coming from, I'll go along with your definition.

I'll do that but, in reality, it really doesn't matter, does it? It's just semantics!

Bob
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On a forum dedicated to critical thinking it's not playing semantic's games to handle opinions reached by speculation or creative thinking different than opinions constructed by critical thinking.
Bob you seem to be an educated and reasonable guy, don't go the path of yrreg.
 
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Bob Guercio said:
Two threads on reincarnation and neither of them have any "zip" to them!

Is this because you cannot fit your definition of critical thinking into either discussion?

If so, is there anyway that you can discuss reinacarnation and give the thread some "zip"

And if so, that would be a good way for you or someone else to start a thread on reincarnation.

Bob
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Bob, I'm not sure if you're doing deadpan irony for your own and our amusement or not. If you are, you're playing it very well, and I salute you.

If not, then I'm afraid a whole flock of jokes about a reincarnated thread just flew straight over your head.

Clarification would spoil the game, so I'm not asking for it. :)


Dave
 
Akhenaten said:
Bob, I'm not sure if you're doing deadpan irony for your own and our amusement or not. If you are, you're playing it very well, and I salute you.

If not, then I'm afraid a whole flock of jokes about a reincarnated thread just flew straight over your head.

Clarification would spoil the game, so I'm not asking for it. :)


Dave
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Well then!

I will not spoil the game and give it? :)


Bob
 
gambling_cruiser said:
On a forum dedicated to critical thinking it's not playing semantic's games to handle opinions reached by speculation or creative thinking different than opinions constructed by critical thinking.
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I agree.

At this point I, understand the definitions of critical thinking and speculation/creative thinking and I certainly will use them this way.

However, I have scoured this forum and they are not defined. Perhaps they should be.

Bob
 
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