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ESP and Reincarnation

Akhenaten said:
Exactly as I intended it. Nothing like Bob's translation.
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Now Akhenaten! You should know by now that I am not going to let you get away with taking a statement of mine out of context and clearly changing its meaning. Haven't you inferred that from all the posting that I have done. So:

Post #207 - You said "As for formally studying "critical thinking", I believe you might be missing the whole point of being at the James Randi Educational Foundation"

Post #208 - I said "I don't understand!"

Post #209 - You said "No, it appears not."

Post #210 - I said "And you purposely choose not to clarify it!"

Post #211 - Gord said "Probably because he has given up trying to get through to you."

Post #212 - You said "You haz ESP!eleven!"

Now comes my interpretation of Post #207

Post #213 - "The insinuation here is that I don't belong on this forum. All I can suggest is that you put me on your ignore list because I intend to be here a very long time!
But let's continue for context

Post #214 - Mashuna said "I read the quote to mean that this is a good place to study critical thinking, hence the 'Educational' part of the foundation."

And finally


Post #218 - You said - Exactly as I intended it. Nothing like Bob's translation.
Now after all that, are you going to say that I misinterpreted your post?

Please!:mad:

Bob Guercio
 
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The ancient Egyptians believed that in building the Pyramids they had created a resurrection machine.

Any thoughts Bob?



ETA: A linky


Resurrection Machine

Sarah Sloboda said:
The Discovery Channel's Egypt Uncovered series was shot on tourist-restricted locations and features the expertise of notable Egyptologists, revealing updated theories of ancient Egyptian life. Pyramid -- The Resurrection Machine, Pt. 1 attempts to discern the true purpose behind the stone behemoths. It traces the history of the pyramids and explores both the times and places of their creation.
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Bob Guercio said:
Apology,

I'm sorry but I am no longer commenting on ESP or Reincarnation. I've explained my position and I cannot keep repeating myself!

Bob Guercio
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Have you paused to think that maybe this situation here is not analogous with your lawyer parable?

I mean, could it be that the reason why so many of us have asked you what you might regard as 'the same questions' in so many different ways is because we feel they have not been answered, even if you feel they have been?
 
Tapio said:
Have you paused to think that maybe this situation here is not analogous with your lawyer parable?

I mean, could it be that the reason why so many of us have asked you what you might regard as 'the same questions' in so many different ways is because we feel they have not been answered, even if you feel they have been?
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I have explained myself to the best of my ability. Explaining further is meaningless.

Bob
 
Re: the ancient Egyptians and the resurrection machine...

I have a co-worker... let's call him "Brian." He's certainly an interesting guy to work with, because I always look forward to finding out what the day's conversation will be. It's generally along the lines of: "If you stand in the middle of the Great Pyramid of Cheops, you'll get a really really bad headache, and it's because it's constructed using a multiple of the numbers thirteen and seven! There are seven stars on the crown of the Statue of Liberty! And it was sent to us by the French! Jesus and Mary Magdalen and France! Jesus and the number 13, 13 original disciples! If you dig under the Statue of Liberty you'll find! Back of the dollar bill, eye above the pyramid, Illuminati!"

Me: I can read all fifty names of the states on the back of the five dollar bill-- (Note: This part is true.)

Brian: I had a vision last night of the Devil on one side of my bed, and God on the other, and they threw colored red balls of light back and forth! My parents tried to put on medication, but all the doctors were wrong! The world is going to end in 2012!

Verbatim.

Anyway, I liked the parable about the invisible fire-breathing dragon. My advice to the guy involved would be to draw the dragon, then to create a short digital video of it using Maya, then to write a short story about it, then to expand this to a book, and then to stage an off-Broadway play about the sex lives of invisible fire-breathing dragons. Now that's how to share it with the world.
 
blue sock monkey said:
Your ideas on reincarnation, as you've expressed them here, remain mere assertions. and I can't diffferentiate them from the dragon in the garage. :(
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Tapio said:
Have you paused to think that maybe this situation here is not analogous with your lawyer parable?

I mean, could it be that the reason why so many of us have asked you what you might regard as 'the same questions' in so many different ways is because we feel they have not been answered, even if you feel they have been?
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Bingo! When somebody introduces a new idea that sounds interesting, the obvious thing to do is to talk with them to find out more about it, but one has to start by understanding the basics, before one can carry on much of an intelligent conversation.

I got stuck at that point. I couldn't figure out what Bob meant by reincarnation. He seemed to think he was answering the questions that people asked. I understood the questions and why people were asking them, because they were the same kind of questions that I was curious about myself. But I couldn't understand the answers. Like questions about the dragon in the garage, the answers just seemed to lead to dead-ends, contradictions or circles.

I kept hoping that someone would ask a question in a different way that would elicit an answer that I could understand, or that someone else would "get it" and explain it in different words so I could get it too, but it never happened. Oh well. *shrug* My only regret is that it seemed like it had the potential to be an interesting conversation, if I could just figure it out.

However, I'm puzzled that the questions seem to be new or unexpected or unclear to Bob, because they seem to be the basic ones that I'd ask, or expect someone else to ask me, if I brought up a similar topic.

For unprovable assertions, I can even accept an unsupported non-logical answer like "I just know it to be true," but in this case, I can't even figure out what "it" is.
 
PUP said:
Bingo! When somebody introduces a new idea that sounds interesting, the obvious thing to do is to talk with them to find out more about it, but one has to start by understanding the basics, before one can carry on much of an intelligent conversation.

I got stuck at that point. I couldn't figure out what Bob meant by reincarnation. He seemed to think he was answering the questions that people asked. I understood the questions and why people were asking them, because they were the same kind of questions that I was curious about myself. But I couldn't understand the answers. Like questions about the dragon in the garage, the answers just seemed to lead to dead-ends, contradictions or circles.
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I've been wondering about this too. If Bob hasn't been thinking critically about his idea, maybe our mistake was to ask questions from a critical perspective? Those aspects of his hypothesis simply do not exist.
 
shuttlt said:
I've been wondering about this too. If Bob hasn't been thinking critically about his idea, maybe our mistake was to ask questions from a critical perspective? Those aspects of his hypothesis simply do not exist.
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You too!
 
Look, I'm sorry, but I have to say it... Now, there's nothing wrong with this. It's a perfectly okay motive. It doesn't mean that anyone is not a nice person. But quite honestly, I think that what Bob really wants is to start an argument and keep it going. It could be about anything. It could be on the topic of the perfect peanut-butter sandwich recipe. But if this wasn't the motive, it is just awfully hard to believe that


a.) the answers wouldn't have kept leading to dead-ends and circles, as Pup pointed out-- they really should have somehow been more concrete in some way, shape or form by now

and

b.) once again, that this whole thing would have kept going for 6 pages.

There's really nothing wrong with just wanting to keep an argument going, but couldn't it be about something more worthy of discussion than this? Something more clearly defined?
 
Maia said:
Look, I'm sorry, but I have to say it... Now, there's nothing wrong with this. It's a perfectly okay motive. It doesn't mean that anyone is not a nice person. But quite honestly, I think that what Bob really wants is to start an argument and keep it going. It could be about anything. It could be on the topic of the perfect peanut-butter sandwich recipe. But if this wasn't the motive, it is just awfully hard to believe that


a.) the answers wouldn't have kept leading to dead-ends and circles, as Pup pointed out-- they really should have somehow been more concrete in some way, shape or form by now

and

b.) once again, that this whole thing would have kept going for 6 pages.

There's really nothing wrong with just wanting to keep an argument going, but couldn't it be about something more worthy of discussion than this? Something more clearly defined?
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And yet as your post demonstrates, this thread is strangely compelling. I know it's not going to go anywhere, I want to escape, but I can't. There are other threads, yet I keep coming back to this one.
 
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