Erdogan's purge in Turkey

TubbaBlubba said:
Torygraph: Turkey's president says all he wants is same powers as Hitler
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A tad better source:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/erdogan-cites-hitlers-germany-defend-presidency-plans-160028670.html

It's interesting that he considers Islamophobia to be en-par with the Holocaust though. It's also interesting that this event took place in January, half a year or so before Turkey experienced an equivalent of the Reichtag fire, with nearly identical political response.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
A tad better source:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/erdogan-cites-hitlers-germany-defend-presidency-plans-160028670.html

It's interesting that he considers Islamophobia to be en-par with the Holocaust though. It's also interesting that this event took place in January, half a year or so before Turkey experienced an equivalent of the Reichtag fire, with nearly identical political response.

McHrozni
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Whereas, of course, his own persecution of the Kurds certainly brings early 20'th century antisemitism to mind.
 
McHrozni said:
A tad better source:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/erdogan-cites-hitlers-germany-defend-presidency-plans-160028670.html

It's interesting that he considers Islamophobia to be en-par with the Holocaust though. It's also interesting that this event took place in January, half a year or so before Turkey experienced an equivalent of the Reichtag fire, with nearly identical political response.

McHrozni
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US Style Presidency??????????

Erdogan is doing things that would get a US President Impeached and Removed from office for just trying.
 
I think Turkey can kiss anymore Economic Intergration with the EU goodbye for the foreseeable future.......
 
Polaris said:
Oh, is that all! Phew!

I wasn't even aware of that - can I go back in time and play the lottery that day?
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Yep, you know - he just wants to be like the single most powerful statesman in history, who concentrated all governmental authority into his person to the point where nobody dared to do anything without his approval (however passing), and ran affairs with a number of extremely hierarchical organizations he was the final arbiter of.
 
Pretty horrific purge.

Turkey is another example of an ally against Russia that does not make sense. NATO is just so unworkable, way past its original purpose and more interested in starting wars than preventing them.
 
McHrozni said:
It's interesting that he considers Islamophobia to be en-par with the Holocaust though. It's also interesting that this event took place in January, half a year or so before Turkey experienced an equivalent of the Reichtag fire, with nearly identical political response.
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You have to think he's read the book on the Reichstag fire and bundled it with the July Plot. This is one of those occasions when a conspiracy theory is not bat-do crazy (not that I subscribe; the Reichstag fire was definitely a put-up job, though).

It's interesting that Erdogan is setting himself up as a champion of "diaspora" Muslims. He's equating present-day Islamophobia with the lead-up to the Holocaust, and it's hardly gone unremarked that the voices in Europe that were once raised against Jews are now raised against Muslims. It's a worry. For Erdogan it's an opportunity.

Erdogan certainly doesn't see his future - sorry, Turkey's future - as Western-oriented. Far from it. NATO probably brings too great a benefit for him to pull out but his heart's not in it. Turkey as a regional power is his focus, in a region that includes the Turks of Central Asia.
 
CapelDodger said:
(not that I subscribe; the Reichstag fire was definitely a put-up job, though).
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Not definitely; it's been a minority view, but there have been few thorough investigations. Later reviews of the evidence has made it seem quite a bit more likely that it was indeed staged.
 
metacristi said:
Yes some argued like that, Schumpeter for example. Unfortunately religion had a decisive impact, it's rather like that. I'm afraid it is still mainly behind the Islamic backwardness (other factors are of less importance).
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There's no evidence from the time that religion played any part at all. Nobody reported religious fanatics swooping in from the Syrian Desert, they reported a huge tribal confederation acting with remarkable co-ordination under a very capable and charismatic commander. Swooping in from the desert and then disappearing again, only gradually to realise that an accidental empire had fallen into their hands.

The religious element appears in retrospect, when the inheritance of said accidental empire was in dispute. The Koranic story doesn't hold water for a moment. Islam does not represent some great break from the past; it's a continuation of existing beliefs, formalised and turned to the purposes of the new State.
 
TubbaBlubba said:
Yep, you know - he just wants to be like the single most powerful statesman in history, who concentrated all governmental authority into his person to the point where nobody dared to do anything without his approval (however passing), and ran affairs with a number of extremely hierarchical organizations he was the final arbiter of.
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The full Hitler goes : people identified with state identified with ideology/party identified with Leader. Erdogan's a good stretch down that road already.
 
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