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Empirical Proofs of reincarnation.

Your first sentence contains your first presumption: that linguistic carryover should be a consequence of reincarnation. Please outline in suitable detail what "reincarnation" consists of in your model, and the preliminary studies you did to determine that the properties suggested by your model are based on observation. One of the things that defeats a good scientific proof is ill-defined and mobile goalposts.



It doesn't matter whether it's a Russian name. It's her name. An infant learning to say her name is unremarkable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natasha contains a list of notable people named Natasha. Note how many of them seem to have no Slavic origins or connections whatsoever. Further, since the child's parents gave her the name at birth, it can hardly be because they understood that she had a Slavic past life and named her accordingly.



...and therefore cannot be considered much of an authority on what a language is, especially when spoken by a toddler. Since you didn't know her when she was 6 months old, I take it this was told to you by a third party. What did you do to verify the testimony of the third party?

It seems that so far all we have is presumption and hearsay. Let's move on to evidence you observed directly, as that's the only evidence that really matters, empirically speaking:



The sum total of your "empirical" evidence in this case is a three-year-old who speaks Russian for reasons you simply seem to have chosen not to investigate. You verified that she had some proficiency in Russian and then assumed that this must be because she had some prior life experience that carried over into the present, that "must" have included a Slavic influence. You describe no methodology by which you tested, and attempted to falsify, your hypothesis with additional evidence. Your "proof" is purely attributional in this case -- you observe a phenomenon and immediately attribute it to a speculative cause with no further testing. That's the opposite of empiricism.



What is your formal training and experience with hypnosis? I will stipulate for the time being that you are reasonably familiar with the "recall techniques that Buddhist monks use." But you have not established yourself by any stated credential or qualification as an expert in hypnosis such that you can state such a comparison as a matter of evidence. Please provide a reference to published, peer-reviewed research that establishes the difference between your proffered technique and "hypnosis."



Please provide the published, peer-reviewed research that demonstrates via a transparent, complete, and correct methodology that the technique produces any of the results you claim. A method purported as empirical must be able to demonstrate empirical validity. Since your claim arises in and from a religion for which belief in reincarnation is a central tenet, and among which past-life claims inform social status, your audience cannot take your word that it is effective and free from bias.



What controlled experiments did you perform to establish the empirical validity of your modifications to the technique, independent of any previous empirical validation on the parent technique? You seem to imply that the parent method was formulated for willing subjects who believe in incarnation. To what extent was the parent technique and your modified technique validated on a properly controlled mix of subjects? Please describe your method in enough detail so that someone reasonably versed in the scientific method can evaluate its strength.

I will address the case studies allegedly based on this method once you have demonstrate the validity of the method. The actual cases are moot until then.



This indicates that you were favoring a certain outcome and are not necessarily therefore a dispassionate researcher. Since the technique you mention is allegedly well known in Buddhism, did you allow your subjects to be interviewed or mediated by other experts in the technique to validate the results? Or did you rely solely on your own examination and interpretations?

This is especially important since your previous thread seems to indicate you are just as motivated in establishing your own personal prowess as you are in supplying objective, empirical proofs for your religious beliefs. Your "success" in recovering past memories might be explained also by your desire to believe that you have skills that would be praised and valued by your religious peers. Since a proper empiricism would eliminate evident biases in the researcher deriving from such things as narcissism, you need to tell us what empirical controls you applied, if any, to address this.



There may be, but you haven't provided any. Your first case is simply an assumption drawn from incomplete data. The remainder of your cases are personal claims made on the basis of an alleged religious technique for which you provide no suitable validation. All of it is anecdotal.



What precisely do you mean by "open mind" in this thread? If I read between the lines, you seem to suggest that open-mindedness would involve relaxing or ignoring appropriate empirical controls as they affect your claims. That is simply not going to happen, so don't bother asking. Far too many fringe claimants have tried to gaslight their critics into believing that they must lower their standards in order to participate in the debate. I assure you the audience here is well attuned to such shoddy and transparent tactics.

A very large part of my job involves testing putatively scientific claims for validity. I will be merciless, but fair according to science. If you can meet the reasonable standards of scientific inquiry, you will having nothing to fear. If you're simply going to play the same social-engineering games as your predecessors, and as you've done in the past, I will afford you no quarter whatsoever. Whereupon I predict you will fabricate some excuse to ignore me.

Let me ask you this question: Are you open-minded enough to consider as a real possibility that your religious beliefs are false?
The person who identified Natasha's language as Russian could have been wrong. But his knowledge of Russian is irrelevant because she understood my questions asked in Russian. He was nothing than a mediator who facilitated our meeting albeit indirectly.
An alternative explanation would be a trick that Natasha's parents played on me by teaching her Russian before our meeting. They could have fooled me, or any other person who speaks Russian, but what was their endgame?
This might disappoint you, but I didn't try to falsify anything because I think that Popper's doctrine is garbage.
 
So, this thread isn't going to Buddha's plan either.....

Why is it that the most grandiose claims always come from those who deliver the least.
You don't know my plan. Why would you say that this thread is not going against my plan. Actually, it is going according to my plan, just like its predecessor was.
 
Oh! Excuse me, but 'Buddha' I do have a question.

As of right now, I have about 34,000 points on my 'Speedway Card', so if I get reincarnated, then do I get to keep those points?

I thank you and my future self thanks you as well.
I have a better suggestion for you -- if you're very rich, hide a pot of gold in a deep forest where no one can find it. Even if you're poor in your next life, you could recall where you had hidden your treasure.
 
It took me a few hours to realise what's wrong with all this: this isn't the way people actually speak, in real life. Rather, it's the way characters in fiction speak when the writer wants to do some rapid plot exposition. If I were making up a conversation and I wanted the person listening to think there was about to be a battle, then I might have a character say "A big battle lies ahead of us." In real life, the character would actually say something like "Give us double portions, if we end up having a scrap tomorrow this might be the last dinner we see in a while." The portentous declaration simply doesn't ring true.

Dave
You forgot that this was my translation from a foreign language, not actual words. Sorry if you didn't like my translation, I was trying to convey the meaning, not linguistic patterns. If I were writing a fiction book, I would have chosen a different conversation style.
 
But his knowledge of Russian is irrelevant...

You found it relevant enough to mention. You're padding your story to make it look more favorable. And in so doing, you've added implausible details that tend to discredit your story.

...because she understood my questions asked in Russian.

Or so you suppose. And you further suppose that it's because she was reincarnated from a Russian. You didn't nothing empirically to test this.

...but what was their endgame?

Irrelevant. Your inability or mine to discover an ulterior motive doesn't negate the fact that you did nothing to discover and test alternative explanations, regardless of motive. "I can't see that they had a reason to lie," is not empiricism. Your conclusion is not at all empirical. It's purely suppositional.

This might disappoint you...

It disappoints science. You promised an empirical proof and you failed to deliver it.

...but I didn't try to falsify anything...

Then your proof is not even remotely empirical. You promised an empirical proof, but you failed to apply even the most rudimentary empirical controls. Therefore your proof fails.

...because I think that Popper's doctrine is garbage.

Nobody mentioned Karl Popper. Don't change the subject.
 
I think I responded to all posts that appeared on page 1 of my computer screen. Now I have to go back to work.
 
You forgot that this was my translation from a foreign language, not actual words. Sorry if you didn't like my translation, I was trying to convey the meaning, not linguistic patterns. If I were writing a fiction book, I would have chosen a different conversation style.

What are translations if not 'actual words'?
You could clear this up by providing the original Turkic sentences you heard...
 
You don't know my plan. Why would you say that this thread is not going against my plan. Actually, it is going according to my plan, just like its predecessor was.

Your "plan" in the other thread was to change the goalposts when it became apparent you were in over your head. You're clearly in over your head here too, so now you're trying to pretend it doesn't matter whether your proof is abject nonsense.
 
You forgot that this was my translation from a foreign language, not actual words. Sorry if you didn't like my translation, I was trying to convey the meaning, not linguistic patterns. If I were writing a fiction book, I would have chosen a different conversation style.

Then I'm surprised you quoted from the conversation, rather than, for example, saying "One of the soldiers by the fire invited him over to share the food, and another soldier came by and mentioned that there would be a battle tomorrow." By putting quotes round sentences, as I'm sure you understand, you give a false impression of precision, which tends to sway the more gullible. I see that your anecdote was, therefore, at the very least somewhat embellished for effect.

Dave
 
I think I responded to all posts that appeared on page 1 of my computer screen. Now I have to go back to work.

It would have been nice if you had addressed the actual empirical problems with your proof. As usual you simply waffled about on the periphery, dismissed all the real criticism, and pretended to be some great philosopher (again) as if this vindicated your proof.
 
Anecdote: a short and amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.

You should have checked the word "anecdote" before using it. It refers to real incidents, not to a paly of imagination.

Anyway, what kind of "empirical" evidence would you like to have, if any. I suspect that you would reject any kind of evidence.

And the whining began :rolleyes:

You clearly don't know what "anecdotal" means in the field of serious research.

You mistakenly think that a heartfelt story told in the "truer" way constitutes evidence.

And I suppose from now on it's you "protesting too much" the obvious rejection your OP provokes in any educated person.
 
What is alternative explanation? A Christian man gave me an alternative explanation -- these people were possessed by the demons, so they were talking tongues". Is this kind of explanation that you would accept?


You have been given many of them.


And how come you are so confused that you drop phrases like "Is this kind of explanation that you would accept?". It's very stupid as there are explanations and there is evidence.
 
Indeed, I though some time ago about writing a book on this topic. But then I did market research and concluded that there is very little chance of success -- there are so many books on this very limited market so it is not worth spending money on a book.

How candid of you! Didn't you swear that your book wasn't "vanity..."? How come you have to spend your own money to publish it?

You are very accustom to make stories on the fly which work well for verbal polemics. Here it's all recorded so every lie or contradiction is a short-legged creature that can't run very fast.
 
I already replied to "other possibilities" Your response under the heading "supernatural" is truly remarkable, I might even include it in my book, The Most Plausible Biography of Buddha (This is a book about the historic Buddha, not about myself). Some people accept the alternative "supernatural" explanations, actually I met some of them, they believe in demons and psychics. I think they will be happy to hear from you.

Another puerile strawman of yours.

SOdhner reply is so devastating to your pretensions that you have to try to convince yourself and others that he really believes in those. How lame of you!

Please, go and get some fourth rate thinker that believes in reincarnation and make him take your place in this thread so we'll be able to elevate the quality of your side or the argument.
 
I do not know what guided meditation is because I have never used it.

There's more than one way, but what you describe in your post (right after this sentence) is essentially guided meditation.

After his recollections improve [...] After he provides detailed descriptions of these event

I can do this with any willing participant and get some great stories. You start with something mundane or broad, and it's like a writing prompt. As they talk they start imagining more details, and you drill down until they're coming up with all sorts of specific things. Tiny things in how you word the questions and prompts can have an influence in what they say, so using this same method I could (even unconsciously) guide someone to confirm all sorts of things.

you could say that I heard the word that I was expecting because of my overactive imagination. But what about her correct answers to all my questions?

You would have needed to document the exact wording of the questions and the answers for me to venture a guess there. A video recording would be ideal, since we could not only confirm it but could also watch for things like body language, tone, etc. that would be left out of a transcription. Clearly you didn't document any of this properly, and so it's essentially worthless as evidence.

I already replied to "other possibilities"

No you didn't.

Some people accept the alternative "supernatural" explanations, actually I met some of them, they believe in demons and psychics.

How would you prove that this is specifically caused by reincarnation and not by those other things? You're already suggesting there's a mechanism of some sort that allows memories to transfer from one mind to another via some ill-defined link. At that point psychic powers and demons should also be on the table.
 
I do not want to be offensive, but I just cannot resist saying this -- even former believers in graphology do not look terribly smart to me.


Don't you have something else to say but bickering?


You are not offensive at all. I guess you'd also say "current believers in reincarnation do not look terribly smart to me" if that accommodated to your plans.

I didn't feel offended by the drunken soiled bum that out of the blue shouted SOB at me nor I'm offended by your words. To reach the level of "offensive" the emitter has to have some entity, for Darwin's sake.
 
The person who identified Natasha's language as Russian could have been wrong. But his knowledge of Russian is irrelevant because she understood my questions asked in Russian. He was nothing than a mediator who facilitated our meeting albeit indirectly.


The person who identified Natasha's language as Russian could have been wrong and departing from their mistake, spoke sporadically to Natasha in Russian during the following months. That is a much more plausible reason for Natasha's eventual proficiency, if real at all and not the wishful thinking on steroids you constantly exhibit here.
 
You forgot that this was my translation from a foreign language, not actual words. Sorry if you didn't like my translation, I was trying to convey the meaning, not linguistic patterns. If I were writing a fiction book, I would have chosen a different conversation style.

Summarizing, traduttore traditore.

Besides, your wishful thinking being all over the place. You're a book example of an epistemological hedonist.
 

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