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BPSCG said:
We had five inches (about 11 cm) of rain here in Our Nation's Capital last night, and we've had about another inch or two so far today, with more expected. You know what the cause is.

BTW, I have a question. Isn't the Earth always in a warming trend or a cooling trend?
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Yes, but to be fair the debate isn't about whether we are warming but to what degree and how fast?
 
RandFan said:
Yes, but to be fair the debate isn't about whether we are warming but to what degree and how fast?
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Well, 'round these parts, it's been warming about the last five months or so, now. Right considerable, too. Useta be you couldn't go out without a jacket, gloves, and such. Why, we had a foot of snow one day back in January, think it was. Today I went outside, walked barefoot around the yard, short pants, short sleeves. Hard to believe it's the same place had all that snow just a few months ago.

Yep.
 
As a skeptic, getting to be older, seen climate around the world during life, and relying on the weather report for my very life on a regular basis, I'd say that the weather man today has a tough job.

Here in Alaska, things are definately different than 30 years ago. I really can't say that it's "warmer".

True, I don't seem to see the near -30 below here at the house anymore. And we've had some winters recently where we didn't even get below zero. But we get our -20 regularly. The same weeks-long spells.

No problem.

True, some summers recently we don't get non-stop rain. And recently we've been getting more lightning and thunderstorms than before.

But there are no more hot, hot days, either. I've seen as many hot, hot summer days in 1976 as recently.

The wind patterns haven't changed. Nor has the tide. The animal cycles and human economic & immigration pattern haven't changed.

And I'll be prepared for the -30 this winter as I am every winter.

I think this "global warming" hoopla might be the first major ideological setback for "science".

It might have been ideological BS.

We'll see......................
 
Earthborn said:
A temperature rise of course. Do you have an idea how that temperature rise is caused? Is there any reason to suspect it is the same cause as global warming on Earth?
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Well, obviously it was caused by the ATV's we landed there! :rolleyes:
 
I think the problem skeptics have with the global warming movement is we have seen the evidence and know what the temperature increase is yet the anecdotal evidence the global warming movement uses is indicative of a much more sudden and drastic shift in climate.

The parade supplement in this weeks paper from Scripps featured and article "How Climate Change Affects You" complete with a picture of a man soaked in sweat in anguish of the heat.

You get my drift?

Mind you, the AGW hard liners call anything other than a total markout being kind to denialists. There is no room for reason in the debate. If you criticize excess in their evangelism you are "one of them" and probably work for big oil.
 
corplinx (underline added);1731361 said:
I think the problem skeptics have with the global warming movement is we have seen the evidence and know what the temperature increase is yet the anecdotal evidence the global warming movement uses is indicative of a much more sudden and drastic shift in climate.
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I don't know about this "movement" you refer to. Clearly the evidence behind AGW is not anecdotal.
 
mamapajamas said:
Then, in April 2004, UC Berkeley released the fact that there is global warming on Jupiter. We've known about that for two years.
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Just out of curiosity, were as you easily persuaded of global warming on Earth as you apparently were of global warming on Jupiter?

Jupiter's orbit - it's "year", so to speak - is about 70 years. So, What?!!! They mean to tell us that Jupiter's hotter in summer? Whoda thunk?

We can't possibly determine if global warming is occurring on Jupiter without detailed observation of at least four or five annual cycles. (And that would be a very small sample.) That's 280-350 years (Earth years, you understand) of observation. Galileo didn't even see all the moons, so I'm thinking we don't have that length of observation yet.

When it comes to the Earth's climate, of course, we've observed very many annual cycles. Thousands of them. We've observed the last 150 or so in some detail. So we can be very confident of the global warming that's occuring.
 
Huntster said:
But there are no more hot, hot days, either. I've seen as many hot, hot summer days in 1976 as recently.
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Greenhouse warming has its greatest influence in the winter, and at night. In summer and in daytime the direct effect of the sun obviously dominates. When the sun is absent, the slower cooling (caused by the greenhouse effect) is the dominating factor. Annual global temperature is an average over day and night, and all seasons, across the globe. Measured, rather arbitrarily, from December to November, as I understand it. That's the measure that's increasing.

Anyhoo, you wouldn't expect many more hot summer days with increased greenhouse warming. You'd expect hotter summer nights - which is what has been happening - and more unusually warm winter days. Which, again, is what has been happening.

Glad to hear your house isn't at a tilt. Yet. (Mine is, but it's an old house built on clay, and the effect is very slight.)
 
mamapajamas said:
And all that CO2 started melting in the first place because...?
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Perhaps because we're at the high-end (going down) of the sunspot-cycle, of approximately 11 years. The solar variation is about 0.1%, biased towards the ultraviolet (0.2%) most of which doesn't get through to Earth-surface but all of which gets through to Mars-surface. (No ozone layer.)

As the article makes clear, a small increase in temperature at Mars-surface will significantly increase the CO2 in the atmosphere, causing an amplification via the greenhouse effect. Positive feedback. As the solar input decreases in the down-part of the solar cycle there's a negative feedback, CO2 doing the opposite of sublimation.

Warming at Earth Central is on a much longer time-scale than 11 years.
 
CapelDodger said:
Just out of curiosity, were as you easily persuaded of global warming on Earth as you apparently were of global warming on Jupiter?
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Actually, I'm not "convinced" about global warming at all. Much of the "evidence" is based on computer models that have been proven wrong time and time again.
 
varwoche said:
Originally Posted by Huntster :
As a skeptic...

Here in Alaska, things are definately different than 30 years ago. I really can't say that it's "warmer".
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It's an easily verifiable fact that Alaska has warmed 3-4 degrees F over the past 60 years, Mr. Skeptic.
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Well, thank you.

I'll take all the warming you can verify. It used to be damned cold around here.

(BTW, like I wrote, there was fresh snow a couple nights ago pretty low down on the Talkeetnas. I think it was the summer solstice................................Global Warming? Go figure...................)
 
CapelDodger said:
Originally Posted by Huntster :
But there are no more hot, hot days, either. I've seen as many hot, hot summer days in 1976 as recently.
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Greenhouse warming has its greatest influence in the winter, and at night. In summer and in daytime the direct effect of the sun obviously dominates. When the sun is absent, the slower cooling (caused by the greenhouse effect) is the dominating factor....
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So, we keep our beautiful summers, and winters get warmer?

Outstanding! The more I hear about global warming, the better I like it!

Glad to hear your house isn't at a tilt. Yet. (Mine is, but it's an old house built on clay, and the effect is very slight.)
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I live in the Matanuska Valley. It was under a glacier a relatively short time ago. We're sitting on some of the finest gravel you can imagine.

The Matanuska Valley was hardly affected by the '64 quake, whereas Anchorage (sitting on silt) shook like a bowl of jello.
 
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