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I simply wonder what they expect the average citizen to respond with? My Igloo melted?! Your average American waits to allow scientists to tell them how GW affects their lives or simply doesn't believe in GW. This is not due to their stupidity, its simply due to the fact that it takes fairly in depth research to determine how GW actually, currently affects the world. I believe the effects of GW will become very clear, even to the average American, in due time. However it seems as if they're jumping the gun a bit.
 
For the sake of this thread, I'll give you that our world is 1/2 degree Celcius warmer than it was in 1850. Lately, the scientist state that we are now, at +.5deg, warmer that it was 400 years ago. Do you treally think that 1,000 year old tree rings, 200,000 year old sediment deposits, 100,000 year old ice cores can be attenuated to within .5 degree? I call BS!
 
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/farmers-urged-to-fight-back/2006/06/24/1150845421296.html

"Water trading ought to occur only between legitimate users of the water, and not by financial speculators who have no thought or care as to how their actions are affecting farmers," Senator Heffernan said.
The call to action comes as struggling farmers who rely on the Murray and Goulburn irrigation schemes are being coerced by their banks to sell their water rights or face foreclosure and financial ruin.
Dried fruit, wine grape and citrus growers are succumbing to pressure to permanently or temporarily sell their water, knowing it will make family farms unviable and practically unsaleable.
Some broad-acre farmers around the Pyramid-Boort region have resorted to mortgaging their water to stave off the collapse of their businesses.
Under pressure from falling commodity prices, a 10-year drought, competition from cheaper imports and government water policy changes, the producers are giving up.
Some are leaving crops and fruit trees to rot and wither, abandoning harvests, bulldozing vines, selling their farms or taking jobs in nearby towns.
Up to 150 families have been advised to sell their water rights to service loans, raise money to pay pickers for their last harvest, or to get money to keep their farms afloat, according to the Sunraysia Irrigation Council's chairman and Country Alliance candidate Danny Lee.
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rocketdodger said:
...But the people that actually shape our world could at least take some responsibility and try to keep it nice, rather than give in to the same mindless existence that all the other humans live...
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I have absolutely no objections to people... especially people in charge... cleaning up the world. I don't believe that anyone wants dirty air or water.

However, I wonder if greenhouse gas emissions has anything at all to do with GW. We could very well be looking at a solar event.

For one thing, there is global warming on Mars. The sad part about this is that NASA released this news back in December of 2001. We've known about global warming on Mars for 4 1/2 years.

Then, in April 2004, UC Berkeley released the fact that there is global warming on Jupiter. We've known about that for two years.

We also know that we are in a trend of unusual solar activity known as the Modern Maximum. It's similar in character to the Medieval Maximum, with an extrordinary amount of solar activity that was playing havoc with communications on Earth. We have records of sunspots (which indicate solar storms) going back thousands of years. The sheer numbers during the Medieval Maximum and the Modern Maximum jump out at you in comparison with "normal" sunspots.

Astronomers who knew about the history of the unprecedented sunspot counts during the Medieval Maximum and the historians who knew about the unprecedented good weather during the Medieval Warm Period did not know until very recently that they were talking about the same period. They even had different names for the same event. Britain had a thriving wine industry during the MWP using grapes that presently grow only in warm areas such as California and the Mediteranian. The Norsemen were doing their long-range explorations during that time because they were prompted by "the good weather"... they weren't afraid of being locked out of their home ports by winter ice.

The Modern Maximum, in astronomers terms, looks almost identical to the Medieval Maximum... and we're once again talking about warm weather.

So today we have three planets under the same sun that are all warming.

Am I the only one on Earth who sees a potential connection between GW and the sun pouring billions of tons of superheated matter into our upper atmosphere?

I suspect that the problem here is that climatologists and astronomers are each existing in their own little universes and do not talk to each other enough.
 
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Ya, what AUP said!

You got links to this? I'm intrigued!!
 
a_unique_person said:
Ten years of unrelenting drought in Australia is taking a pretty drastic toll on quite a few people.
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Drought in Ausralia? How unusual...

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Drought is also part and parcel of life in Australia, particularly in the marginal areas away from the better-watered coasts and ranges.
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Australia is prone to drought because of its geography. Our continent sits more or less astride the latitudes of the subtropical high pressure belt, an area of sinking, dry, stable air and usually clear skies.
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However over most of the country rainfall is not only low, but highly erratic.
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http://www.bom.gov.au/lam/climate/levelthree/c20thc/drought.htm
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Aoidoi said:
Worrying about the environment is a luxury afforded to those who have enough to eat and have options available to them. And the easiest way to clean up your environment is to have somebody with fewer options take the dirty jobs.
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But this is presupposing an economic model where investing in technology is not profitable in the long term. I disagree with any such model.
 
BPSCG said:
Say you had a plant that produced a ton of raw sewage that got dumped on your property every day. The only way you could avoid producing that raw sewage would be to build a new plant at a cost of a billion dollars. Now say it would cost a million dollars a year to to haul that sewage away and dispose of it in an environmentally-friendly manner (whatever that may be), as well as clean up your property.

What would you do?
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Obviously I would take the cheaper option, because obviously division of labor has huge efficiency gains. Why did you ask this question? Only a dogmatic fool would take the more expensive option.

What exactly you mean by "environment-friendly" seems to be the contingent point, however. Unfortunately, lots of people think "environment-friendly" means "friendly-to-my-immediate-environment."
 
It had been really hot here the past week or so, so I thought that Global Warming thing was true! However, it's much cooler today, so now I'm not so sure. :confused:
 
Just to be clear:

Art Vandelay said:
So, they're looking for stories like people noticing animals that they haven't noticed before so that they can present a bunch of anecdotes as "evidence" of global warming? Typical media reporting on global warming, and why thinking people are suspicious.
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Global warming is definite (Antarctica, Mt. Kilamanjaro, glaciers, Arctic, etc clearly show that), the argument is whether it will continue to get worse and exceed past warming trends.

All people think - that doesn't make their thought correct, of any real qualitative value, accessible, otherwise valuable, etc.

Yes anecdotes prove nothing - but if they lead to actual research.....
 
a_unique_person said:
Could you provide evidence for that assertion?
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I'm a newbie... and therefore can't post links until I have 15 posts.

However, I do have links to NASA sources, NASA/JPL, and UC Berkeley astronomy department for the information on global warming on Jupiter and Mars as well as an increase in solar activity being called the Modern Maximum, which I shall post when I have 15 posts. The fact that three planets in the same system are experiencing global warming makes it pretty evident that astronomers and environmentalists are either not talking to each other or are deliberately ignoring each other.

Global warming on three planets is an extremely significant datum that environmentalists ignore at their own (credibility) peril.

Oh... and by the way, given that this is a discussion forum and not a dissertation, I AM allowed to draw my own conclusions from information I've seen.
 
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mamapajamas said:
I'm a newbie... and therefore can't post links until I have 15 posts.

However, I do have links to NASA sources, NASA/JPL, and UC Berkeley astronomy department for the information on global warming on Jupiter and Mars as well as an increase in solar activity being called the Modern Maximum, which I shall post when I have 15 posts. The fact that three planets in the same system are experiencing global warming makes it pretty evident that astronomers and environmentalists are either not talking to each other or are deliberately ignoring each other.

Global warming on three planets is an extremely significant datum that environmentalists ignore at their own (credibility) peril.

Oh... and by the way, given that this is a discussion forum and not a dissertation, I AM allowed to draw my own conclusions from information I've seen.
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Yes you are - but as you are finding out, there are a number of posters who will blast you for it and try to make you verify every word and it's meaning. Don't fall for it - they are acting like the conspiracy nuts we like (well I do) to make fun of. Welcome to the site and the thread!!!:)
 
This week's Parade supplement in the paper had a story about climate change and you with a guy in shirt and tie wiping the sweat off his brow as the lead picture.
 
fuelair said:
Yes you are - but as you are finding out, there are a number of posters who will blast you for it and try to make you verify every word and it's meaning. Don't fall for it - they are acting like the conspiracy nuts we like (well I do) to make fun of. Welcome to the site and the thread!!!:)
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LOL! Thanks for the welcome :).

I've encountered these types before, which is why I called him/her/it down on demanding proof of every word. Way back when CNN had it's web site on Compuserve (circa 1989-91), I was one of the sysops (moderators) on their Political Forum. I waded in every day with a fire hose and a fly swatter :D.

However, I do have some good links to the global warming on Mars/Jupiter and the increased solar energy stories, which I shall happily post when I've got the right number of posts to do so. Last I heard, NASA/JPL and UC Berkeley astronomy department were "good" sources. The story about the Modern Maximum reached the general population only in terms of the news media telling us why communications were being distorted from time to time due to solar storms. What they weren't telling us was the side of the story about the billions of tons of superheated matter being dumped into the atmosphere by the same solar flares that were knocking out communications.

Things have settled down a bit in the solar flare arena, it isn't disrupting communications as badly as it was a couple of years ago, but the fact is that we're STILL getting more solar activity than is considered "normal", and we seriously need to look at that angle in conjunction with GW.
 
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