Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

[Vixen]

So, you're sticking to your unique definition and disappointment that she used the word as defined by the vast majority of English speakers? That's a real good reason to hate a woman. Be proud.

'She used the word as defined by the vast majority'? Really? So what was the problem, given her husband-to-be almost certainly had the same percentage of NA DNA in his ancestry as she did (especially if they go back to the 1600's in the USA)? Where is the controversy in their schlepping off to get married?

No flick knives or finger clicking there. No 'there's a place for us' epiphany.

 

[Stacyhs]

'She used the word as defined by the vast majority'? Really? So what was the problem, given her husband-to-be almost certainly had the same percentage of NA DNA in his ancestry as she did (especially if they go back to the 1600's in the USA)? Where is the controversy in their schlepping off to get married?

No flick knives or finger clicking there. No 'there's a place for us' epiphany.

Uh oh. You used the words "almost certainly". Red flag for you. You tend use that phrase just before you make a completely unsubstantiated claim.

You seem to forget that there was no DNA testing in 1932 and all most people had were family stories of their ancestry. Unless those stories were passed down via the family, how would Warren's paternal grandparents know of any Native American ancestry? In those days, most 'white' people didn't want to have or acknowledge NA ancestry any more than they wanted to have or acknowledge African ancestry.

Would you care to posit why Warren's parents eloped instead of staying in town and having that family and friends attended wedding instead?

 

[Distracted1]

'She used the word as defined by the vast majority'? Really? So what was the problem, given her husband-to-be almost certainly had the same percentage of NA DNA in his ancestry as she did (especially if they go back to the 1600's in the USA)? Where is the controversy in their schlepping off to get married?

No flick knives or finger clicking there. No 'there's a place for us' epiphany.

Do you think they compared their DNA results in January of 1932, when they eloped?

 

[Vixen]

Don't forget Warren lied about her parents eloping because they had a "big formal wedding, weren't married by a JP, and went home to announce their wedding the very next day"!

They were married by a church minister. Banns have to be read weeks in advance. So no great urgency there, and little secrecy.

Oh, and BTW the reason for 'elopement' can't have been for Native American reasons. That was a story she made up. Hello?

 

[Vixen]

Do you think they compared their DNA results in January of 1932, when they eloped?

Neither Warren's mother nor her husband-to-be had any reason to claim Native American ethnicity or culture.

It is a ridiculous story.

 

[Stacyhs]

They were married by a church minister. Banns have to be read weeks in advance. So no great urgency there, and little secrecy.

False. Banns are not required before marriage in the Methodist Church.

A. Banns are only read in Parish (Church of England) Churches. Marriage at Central is by Registrar’s Certificate.

("Central" is the Central Methodist Church)

In this website outlining the requirements for marriage in the Methodist Church, nowhere are 'banns' mentioned. Can you guess why?

https://oureverydaylife.com/requirements-for-getting-married-in-a-methodist-church-12599048.html

Oh, and BTW the reason for 'elopement' can't have been for Native American reasons. That was a story she made up. Hello?

And I suppose the marriage announcement in the paper stating they came back to town to announce the marriage the next day was lying too? Man, Warren set up this 'lie' before she was even born! Hello?

You just can't ever admit being wrong. You just double down.

 

[Stacyhs]

Neither Warren's mother nor her husband-to-be had any reason to claim Native American ethnicity or culture.

It is a ridiculous story.

Not according to her DNA test results. Or are you going to argue with the geneticist who analyzed her DNA because you are an expert in genetics? Exactly what credentials do you hold to say Bustamante is wrong?

Warren: "The president likes to call my mom a liar. What do the facts say?"

Bustamante: "The facts suggest that you absolutely have Native American ancestry in your pedigree."

Warren's father never made claims of having NA ancestry.

What is ridiculous is your insistence in digging your hole deeper rather than admit you are wrong.

 

[Distracted1]

Neither Warren's mother nor her husband-to-be had any reason to claim Native American ethnicity or culture.

It is a ridiculous story.

Absolutely not. That's the point. In that day and place having NA ancestry was something to be "ashamed" of, far from claiming it, the incentive would have been to hide it.

 

[Vixen]

Absolutely not. That's the point. In that day and place having NA ancestry was something to be "ashamed" of, far from claiming it, the incentive would have been to hide it.

If anyone was hiding it, it would have been the father, not the mother as a majority of Americans have about 1% NA DNA. So, if she was 'ashamed' of her mother's (imaginary) Native American ethnicity he surely would not have known about it.

 

[Stacyhs]

If anyone was hiding it, it would have been the father, not the mother as a majority of Americans have about 1% NA DNA. So, if she was 'ashamed' of her mother's (imaginary) Native American ethnicity he surely would not have known about it.

Again, you are making statements not based on any evidence. Quelle surprise. In 1932, there was no data as to how much, if any, NA DNA the majority of Americans had. As I said earlier, the only way anyone knew of any NA ancestry is if it were passed down through the family.

What gives you the idea that Warren was 'ashamed' of her mother's (real) NA ancestry? It was Warren's paternal grandparents who were the bigots.

Has it occurred to you that Warren's father was another generation removed from his Victorian parents' abhorance of the 'stain' of NA blood and 1) was not the bigot his parents were and/or 2) he loved Warren's mother and accepted her for who she was, including a relatively close NA ancestor?

Once again, what expertise in genetics do you have that would give credibility to your disclaiming Bustamante's finding that Warren does, indeed, have an unadulterated NA ancestor as close as a 3-4 X gr. grandparent?

 

[smartcooky]

If anyone was hiding it, it would have been the father, not the mother as a majority of Americans have about 1% NA DNA. So, if she was 'ashamed' of her mother's (imaginary) Native American ethnicity he surely would not have known about it.

Good grief, you do talk a load of absolute crap don't you!

DNA as a form of race identification was completely unknown as a science until the 1990s/early 2000s, so how could Warren's father have known anything about it in the 1930's?

But carry on, don't let me stop you. I'm am quite enjoying watching you digging yourself into an ever-deepening hole with all the doubling and tripling down on those outright falsehoods you keep making up from whole cloth.

 

[Stacyhs]

Good grief, you do talk a load of absolute crap don't you!

DNA as a form of race identification was completely unknown as a science until the 1990s/early 2000s, so how could Warren's father have known anything about it in the 1930's?

But carry on, don't let me stop you. I'm am quite enjoying watching you digging yourself into an ever-deepening hole with all the doubling and tripling down on those outright falsehoods you keep making up from whole cloth.

^THAT^ I usually get some popcorn and settle into a nice, comfy chair.

 

[Hellbound]

^THAT^ I usually get some popcorn and settle into a nice, comfy chair.

No one can resist...the comfy chair!

 

[Dr. Keith]

No one can resist...the comfy chair!

Almost certainly you would have a beverage close at hand.

 

[lomiller]

And the US unemployment rate is about 3.7%, the lowest rate since 1969.

Employment rate, however, is not all that high.

 

[lomiller]

Obama said if you like your insurance, you can keep it. They are all equally bad.

I do not think he said that. A major goal of the ACA was to eliminate sub-standard polices, so clearly no in context statement that said people would get to keep these sub-standard polices makes much sense.

He did say you could keep your doctor; which the right wing media dishonestly presents as a “lie” he is pretty clearly saying that there is nothing in his proposal that forces you to change doctors. Obviously he wasn’t suggesting you could keep going to a doctor that was retired. He also did not say that you would keep your doctor. Finding a batter plan with a different doctor doesn’t mean you were forced to change. People had the option to keep these same doctor and chose not to.

 

[theprestige]

I do not think he said that. A major goal of the ACA was to eliminate sub-standard polices, so clearly no in context statement that said people would get to keep these sub-standard polices makes much sense.

He did say you could keep your doctor; which the right wing media dishonestly presents as a “lie” he is pretty clearly saying that there is nothing in his proposal that forces you to change doctors. Obviously he wasn’t suggesting you could keep going to a doctor that was retired. He also did not say that you would keep your doctor. Finding a batter plan with a different doctor doesn’t mean you were forced to change. People had the option to keep these same doctor and chose not to.

Some people liked the plans they were on, and wanted to keep the doctor they had, but were forced to switch doctors because someone else decided for them that the plan they liked wasn't good enough for them.

This is exactly the opposite of assuring people that they will be given more and better choices, and won't be forced to choose something they didn't want or need.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Some people liked the plans they were on, and wanted to keep the doctor they had, but were forced to switch doctors because someone else decided for them that the plan they liked wasn't good enough for them.

This is exactly the opposite of assuring people that they will be given more and better choices, and won't be forced to choose something they didn't want or need.

But I don't believe that's quite accurate. Some were forced to switch doctors because the doctors moved to other networks, and some were forced to switch plans because their cheap but nearly worthless plan was canceled by the provider. The ACA allowed them with a grandfather clause, but what Obama didn't talk about was that providers weren't compelled to keep providing those plans. That was Obama's "lie by omission."

 

[Vixen]

Again, you are making statements not based on any evidence. Quelle surprise. In 1932, there was no data as to how much, if any, NA DNA the majority of Americans had. As I said earlier, the only way anyone knew of any NA ancestry is if it were passed down through the family.

What gives you the idea that Warren was 'ashamed' of her mother's (real) NA ancestry? It was Warren's paternal grandparents who were the bigots.

Has it occurred to you that Warren's father was another generation removed from his Victorian parents' abhorance of the 'stain' of NA blood and 1) was not the bigot his parents were and/or 2) he loved Warren's mother and accepted her for who she was, including a relatively close NA ancestor?

Once again, what expertise in genetics do you have that would give credibility to your disclaiming Bustamante's finding that Warren does, indeed, have an unadulterated NA ancestor as close as a 3-4 X gr. grandparent?

Once again you have taken words out of my mouth and twisted them. I was responding to a poster who claimed (to sum up) 'no-one knew Warren had Native American ancestry, as it was something people kept hidden'.

Secondly, her blood is hardly stained if 'noone knew about DNA testing then' and there was NOTHING in her appearance or family appearance and NOTHING in her culture to suggest a Native American background.

In effect, the story about her parents 'eloping' because of the prejudice of his family is ridiculous.

 

[Vixen]

Good grief, you do talk a load of absolute crap don't you!

DNA as a form of race identification was completely unknown as a science until the 1990s/early 2000s, so how could Warren's father have known anything about it in the 1930's?

But carry on, don't let me stop you. I'm am quite enjoying watching you digging yourself into an ever-deepening hole with all the doubling and tripling down on those outright falsehoods you keep making up from whole cloth.

Thank you for admitting it would have been UNKNOWN to all that Warren had a 1% DNA trace of Native American, never mind having 'to elope' over it and tick the box as an ethnic minority whilst a Republican.