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I aggressively don't care where my ancestors came from outside what is necessary for medical history and vague pointless curiosity at best.

I don't have an "identity" separate from my traits and demographics.
 
We focus the energy into hating each other as individuals more efficiently.

Religious antipathy makes more sense, as at least people must consciously choose to follow a creed and its practices. Death to the heresiarchs who include all non-Marcionist versions of Christianity! Also the Marcionists who follow Apelles and Syneros because duh. Those bastards wouldn't recognize a demiurge if it bit them.
 
I'm pretty sure I'm biologically entitled to Portuguese cultural appropriation. And French.

To the best of my knowledge I'm all French, but I have no idea if there's any native in there. There are whispers of Scottish blood on my mother's side but that's uncertain.

But the only thing that matters to me is that I'm all Belz...
 
I aggressively don't care where my ancestors came from outside what is necessary for medical history and vague pointless curiosity at best.

I don't have an "identity" separate from my traits and demographics.

I would be interested in knowing my heritage. As it is, I know that I come from the (now) Czech Republic on one side, but the other side is a mystery.

It's not a big deal to me, but it would be an interesting bit of family history to know where the other branch comes from. Were it the case that somewhere in that branch, I have, say, Native American or African American ancestors, that would be a noteworthy surprise.
 
BTW here is a blog by a Cherokee Indian.

Starting in 2012 she started researching Elizabeth Warren's claims.

Frankly i'm disgusted that anyone can defend this false minority claim.
A letter to Elizabeth Warren from 2012
http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2012/05/letter-to-elizaeth-warren.html

So, Ms. Warren, you see, it is not just your opponent who has questions. We Cherokees have questions too and those questions have yet to be answered by you. You see, for us Cherokees, this is not political. This is about the truth.

You have claimed something you had no right to claim -- our history and our heritage and our identity. Those things belong to us, and us alone. These are not things we choose to embrace when they benefit us and then cast aside when we no longer need them, but that is what you seem to have done by "checking a box" for several years and then no longer "checking" it more recently, when apparently you no longer needed it.

Of course, you say you only "checked the box" in an attempt to meet others like you, but that doesn't make sense. If one is claiming to be Cherokee and wants to meet other Cherokees, they don't "check a box" on a job application or in a directory for their profession! They go to where Cherokees are.

You are from Oklahoma!

If you wanted to meet "other" Cherokees, you should have known you could go there to meet them, so stop with the "I only wanted to meet others like me" BS. You disrespect us by saying things like that and we don't appreciate it!

Debunking the Ancestry claim:
http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2012/05/elizabeth-warrens-ancestry-part-1.html
http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2012/05/elizabeth-warrens-ancestry-part-2.html
http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2012/06/elizabeth-warrens-ancestry-part-3.html
http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2012/10/bam-last-nail-in-coffin-on-that-old.html


About the invention of the racist grandparents:
http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2016/07/did-warren-invent-story-of-racist.html
 
I understand there are some deep divisions in that tribe. Were they more on the hardware side or the services side?


According to family legend, my great-....-grandmother got A Magic Wand from the Hardware line that kept her very happy.
The heirloom is passed on exclusively via the female line - I never got to see it.
 
I would be interested in knowing my heritage. As it is, I know that I come from the (now) Czech Republic on one side, but the other side is a mystery.

Oh don't get me wrong I have no problem with anyone being curious about their heritage. I'll probably get around to doing one of those DNA test myself once the kinks (both technical and legal) get ironed out in them.

But it stays at that, pure curiosity. If I get the results back and I'm X% this or Y% that I can't imagine it going any further than "Huh that's neat."
 
You're not running for presidency claiming to be an ethnic minority.

Wait! Did I miss the big announcement that Warren is running for the presidency? People are speculating that she may run. And even if she does run, what the hell does that have to do with your bringing up what an ancestor did 200 years ago as if that has crap to do with her.

She is not claiming to be an ethnic minority now. She checked that box in freaking 1986...32 years ago. She has listed herself as "white" ever since. Your need to disparage Warren and tell lies about her is just pathetic.
 



I don’t think anyone is defending the false minority claim. I’m pretty sure most here think that probably wasn’t a good idea. I think the importance of it is what’s under debate. IOW, my own position is: yeah, that was a mistake, but it really has no impact on her ability to be a Senator or even President -from a detached view, it’s nothing.


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Oh don't get me wrong I have no problem with anyone being curious about their heritage. I'll probably get around to doing one of those DNA test myself once the kinks (both technical and legal) get ironed out in them.

But it stays at that, pure curiosity. If I get the results back and I'm X% this or Y% that I can't imagine it going any further than "Huh that's neat."

I can understand that. My self-identity has little to do with what I learn about my heritage (and honestly, were I deeply curious, I might do something about it).
 
I'm sure that at some point she told Harvard that she was Native American. Not, I think, the most modest move, but nothing that I care much about. She wasn't lying, she wasn't benefiting in any obvious manner by claiming Native American heritage on the basis of some family stories which turn out to be consistent with DNA evidence. I'd prefer that she hadn't played up minority status to the point that Harvard touted her as a woman of color, but honestly not a big deal.

There are an awful lot of politicians out there who tell baldfaced lies on nigh a daily schedule. This is not like that.

And always keep in mind that she was CHALLENGED by The Steaming Pile of Excrement in The White House to prove her family lore with a DNA test and did so. The only mistake she made was playing his game and allowing herself to be provoked by his racist, misogynistic taunting.

As for her ticking a box 30+ years ago, well that's just a big nothingburger; its not as if she made any material gain from doing so, and as far as she new at the time, she DID have Native American ancestry (and the DNA test results are consistent with that belief).

Those of us who are old enough will remember that the 1980's were different times to now. Americans in General were far less respectful of Native American culture than they are now, and generally either treated them very, very badly, or just didn't care at all.

While "Native American" was a term first coined in the in the 1900s, it only started to become more frequently used during the Civil Rights Era. In the 1980s the most commonly used term still in use was "Indians", and that term is still in some use today; Cleveland Indians, the Indian Wars, and the name of the state in Indiana literally means "Land of the Indians". Even as late as 1995, the US Census Bureau recorded that 50% of people who identified as indigenous still preferred the term American Indian while only 37% preferred Native American.
 
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