Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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The Big Dog said:
But our correspondent takes the time to let us that he doesn't care that Warren offended native Americans
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Damn nonsense.

Trump offends most of the nation on a daily basis. Women, people of color, Muslims and those of us seeking some civility in political discourse.

A lie is when someone KNOWINGLY repeats a falsehood.

Trump KNOWINGLY lied to thousands of investors cheating people out of their hard earned money in projects all over the world.

https://features.propublica.org/trump-inc-podcast/trump-family-business-panama-city-khafif/

And you care about Warren checking a box that says she is part Native American? BULL CRAP! I'd say your obsession over this subject is total hypocrisy. But that would be a massive understatement.
 
Belz... said:
See what I mean? No manner of data will change your mind about your intial interpretation. If that's how you understood it, then it must be so. So much so that you've stooped to accuse me of lying, because that's the only alternative. You just cannot accept to being wrong.
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Hmm, no manner of after the fact goal post moving will convince you that when i wrote:

"And yet, someone did in 2016."

in response to this:

"But I honestly don’t think someone can run for president and expect to win the Democratic nomination if they are unable to own up to mistakes, and gratuitously offend and ignore Native Americans."

and followed it up with this:

"Hillary's President of the United States?Oh, wait. You're right, someone would expect to be able to do that and become president IF and only IF they are Republican. Carry on."

that what I really meant was:

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Yes folks we all thought that only a Republican would "run for president and expect to win the Democratic nomination."

Freaking beautiful.
 
The Big Dog said:
Hmm, no manner of after the fact goal post moving will convince you that when i wrote:

"And yet, someone did in 2016."

in response to this:

"But I honestly don’t think someone can run for president and expect to win the Democratic nomination if they are unable to own up to mistakes, and gratuitously offend and ignore Native Americans."

and followed it up with this:

"Hillary's President of the United States?Oh, wait. You're right, someone would expect to be able to do that and become president IF and only IF they are Republican. Carry on."
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Oops, you just made my own point for me.

I knew you'd catch on at some point.
 
The Big Dog said:
They can run for the Democratic Nomination if and only they were Republicans?
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Oh, wait. No, turns out you didn't catch on.

Is it really that hard for you to simply accept that I meant exactly what I said I meant? That while Democratic nominees can't expect to win in those circumstances, Republican ones can?

Are you that desperate to avoid the point?
 
Ok, that was fun... but now lets get back to all the folks who don't care if NA are offended, think that the story is irrelevant, think it is less important than a speeding ticket...

"Elizabeth Warren's 'part' Cherokee claim is a joke, and a racist insult to Natives like me"

At this point, the debate about Warren has done enough harm to Native Americans that it simply needs to stop. I am a registered Democrat who has voted blue in every election since I first cast a ballot for John Kerry when I was 18 years old, but I cannot support a candidacy that will come at the expense of my people. Democrats who support Native rights need to get behind a different candidate.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...h-warren-cherokee-ancestry-column/1668763002/

It ain't even a question whether Warren defenders are racist... they are... it is they don't even care that they are.
 
The Big Dog said:
Ok, that was fun...
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Trolling usually is, I hear.

but now lets get back to all the folks who don't care if NA are offended
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Does that not include you? I've asked you once before.

"Elizabeth Warren's 'part' Cherokee claim is a joke, and a racist insult to Natives like me"
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A stupid opinion, especially if Warren is correct.

It ain't even a question whether Warren defenders are racist... they are...
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:dl:

Democrats are the real racists. I told you guys.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Little of both. Like you sort of "Talking out loud."

I think if being a "Politician" becomes such a high level skill that to be in politics requires you to be a politician and nothing else, that does hurt us in the long run because it keeps other areas of expertise out of the decision making process.
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A good legislator will seek outside expert advice before making decisions in fields where they lack expertise. Congress has some amazing resources that can be consulted. Including the Congressional Research Service, the National Acadamy of Sciences, the Congressional Budget Office and any expert working in the various Federal agencies. They also have a budget for hiring staff to look into the details of proposed legislation.

But I do see your point. What made Warren an effective Senator was her deep knowledge of how the banking and finance system works. What made her a target was believing that system should work for all Americans and not just the insiders.
 
The Big Dog said:
Ok, that was fun... but now lets get back to all the folks who don't care if NA are offended, think that the story is irrelevant, think it is less important than a speeding ticket...

"Elizabeth Warren's 'part' Cherokee claim is a joke, and a racist insult to Natives like me"



https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...h-warren-cherokee-ancestry-column/1668763002/

It ain't even a question whether Warren defenders are racist... they are... it is they don't even care that they are.
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Yawn!
 
Vixen said:
It wasn't usual for someone from Rutgers to get taken on at Harvard (a top 10).
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Agreed. Which is why she went from Rutgers to Houston and then to Texas and did some teaching at Michigan. Her career was taking a pretty steady trajectory.
 
Vixen said:
You're not running for presidency claiming to be an African-American because of a 1% DNA trace.
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Vixen said:
You're not running for presidency claiming to be an ethnic minority.
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No, you don't get off that easily

Vixen said:
Somehow you have omitted to mention that Warren's other ancestor/relative, President Andrew Jackson, drove Native Americans off their land in 1838.

There is just no redeeming factor.
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You were NOT referring to her claimed Native American ancestry when you disparaged her alleged decent from Andrew Jackson (which, by the way, YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT ANYWAY!!!)

For pity's sake STOP DIGGING!!!
 
Thinking on this a little more...

I am a Native American. I was born here and my people have lived here as far back as I can trace. The tribes can tout their tribal affiliations all they want to but I take offense at the idea that I am not a Native American.

IOW, Native American is a stupid label. If we are going to ask ethnicity for purposes of tracking minority status, we should stick to the recognized tribal names.

Beyond that, the concerns of people like Kim Tall Bear are not all that relevant to me. They have a political agenda. Meh, get in line.


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This would be so much easier if we could just all agree that nothing about an "ancestor" you have makes any different in all at any direction in any possible scenario outside of medical history.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Does anyone believe, even absent this whole ancestry contretemps, that Warren would be the Democratic candidate for the presidency? I don't see that as ever having been likely because of her hostility to the interests of the banking and finance industry. Mainstream Democrats, the actual party machinery ones, always quietly accede to the wishes of Mammon. Also I don't see the Democrats running a woman again, in case it really was sexism that cost them last time. It'll be a white man this time, to cut down on the variables.
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I agree with you, but I'm not very good at this game. I never thought the party of Reagan and Bushes would pick Trump.
 
JoeMorgue said:
This would be so much easier if we could just all agree that nothing about an "ancestor" you have makes any different in all at any direction in any possible scenario outside of medical history.
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What? You want to remove easy means by which we put each other in labeled boxes? How do you expect us to discriminate against one another, then?
 
Dr. Keith said:
I agree with you, but I'm not very good at this game. I never thought the party of Reagan and Bushes would pick Trump.
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The most parsimonious explanation for the current Republican party is spongiform encephalopathy acquired via endocannibalism. Pre- or post-mortem is anyone's guess, but I assume based on character it's the former.
 
Belz... said:
What? You want to remove easy means by which we put each other in labeled boxes? How do you expect us to discriminate against one another, then?
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We focus the energy into hating each other as individuals more efficiently.
 
The Big Dog said:
I am coming to the conclusion that all the groveling Warren apologists don't care that she offended Native Americans is because of racism.
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How does that differ from your analysis of the groveling Trump apologists who don't care that he offends Native Americans? Is that also due to racism? If not, what is the primary difference? I'd like to better understand how you come to your conclusions.
 
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