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(I know that legally, the "one drop rule" didn't apply to Native American ancestry. But culturally, it probably still did in many circles.)

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Sort of. It depends.

For example, when Virginia passed its One-Drop legislation (exempting those with no more than 1/16 Native American descent, since so many Virginia First Families liked to claim descent from Pocahontas) ...

Walter Plecker, Registrar of Statistics, ordered application of the 1924 Virginia law in such a way that vital records were changed or destroyed, family members were split on opposite sides of the color line, and there were losses of the documented continuity of people who identified as American Indian, as all people in Virginia had to be classified as white or black.
 
We weren't.

Not only does Trump not care about it, he never offered any money and he has the ability to personally test someone's DNA!

Wait why were we caring about this again? Just because our president is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, and misogynist with not a shred of integrity doesn't mean we should care. In fact many think it's just fine.

OTOH,
Playing the Cultural Appropriation card - classy!
I think there is the bad kind of CA and the who cares kind of CA. I don't care if a white guy opens up a Mexican food shop. Big deal. But I do care when, say, a white woman puts on black face and heads up the NAACP. That's pretty ******* disrespectful to the actual black people who have faced adversity.
 
Will do! He will use it against warren, thanks.....

hey wait a minute, you are trying to trick me!

I almost feel like Elizabeth warren releasing the results of her 23 and me test showing she was about 1% Peruvian

:D.


I doubt that it showed her to be "Peruvian". I suppose you can document that claim for us.

Just out of curiosity (and I apologize for challenging your grasp of history to this degree) where do you think the Native Americans in Central and South America came from?
 
Warren never made this claim: “Warren claims to be Cherokee“.

You lied about that.

Not a good look for someone attempting to impugn the honesty of another person.

She claimed to be a minority.

She claimed the source of that minority designation was native American ancestry.

She made specific statements that it could be Cherokee or Delaware.
 
Warren is from the USA. Apparently she has claimed some minority status descent at some points in her life.


FTFY.

Can you define what it takes to be a minority? (feelings? certain amount of dna? what is the standard?) Would someone benefit in any way from that status at a university or job hiring process?[/QUOTE]



Did Warren? Can you demonstrate how she did?
 
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She claimed to be a minority.
She did? I thought she claimed she had minority ancestry. That's a bit different.

She claimed the source of that minority designation was native American ancestry.
Wait a sec. That's assuming the first premise is true. It's not.

She made specific statements that it could be Cherokee or Delaware.
True. A statement of possibilities, not a statement of facts.
 
"Here is a photo of Warren's mom."

Top-notch research on the part of "Benny on Twitter".

Take a look over at post 383 in this thread where I've linked some dated material.


Here is a nice select snippet just from one of them.

As for their minority status, the director states, it includes “those legal educators who stated they were members of a minority group.’’

Also


“The fact that she listed her heritage in some professional directories more than 15 years ago does not change those facts,’’ Harney said.

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You are conflating a single institution's definition with the general definition. It's going to differ with whomever is asking.

Back to the NYT's link, it was a safe bet for Warren to take the genetic test. Chances were very high there would be some Native American ancestry. Most of us have a little. And a whole lot more of us have a fair amount of African ancestry.

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Another piece of One-Drop Rule history.

In 1895, when South Carolina was debating its new state constitution, there was some interest in including a One-Drop Rule clause.

One of the speakers there, George D, Tillman a Civil War vet and U.S. Congressman, objected. Having this to say ...

If the law is made as it now stands respectable families in Aiken, Barnwell, Colleton, and Orangeburg will be denied the right to intermarry among people with whom they are now associated and identified. At least one hundred families would be affected to my knowledge. They have sent good soldiers to the Confederate Army, and are now landowners and taxpayers. Those men served creditably, and it would be unjust and disgraceful to embarrass them in this way. It is a scientific fact that there is not one full-blooded Caucasian on the floor of this convention. Every member has in him a certain mixture of ... colored blood. The pure-blooded white has needed and received a certain infusion of darker blood to give him readiness and purpose. It would be a cruel injustice and the source of endless litigation, of scandal, horror, feud, and bloodshed to undertake to annul or forbid marriage for a remote, perhaps obsolete trace of Negro blood. The doors would be open to scandal, malice, and greed; to statements on the witness stand that the father or grandfather or grandmother had said that A or B had Negro blood in their veins. Any man who is half a man would be ready to blow up half the world with dynamite to prevent or avenge attacks upon the honor of his mother in the legitimacy or purity of the blood of his father.[7][12]
 
I doubt that it showed her to be "Peruvian". I suppose you can document that claim for us.

Just out of curiosity (and I apologize for challenging your grasp of history to this degree) where do you think the Native Americans in Central and South America came from?

Actually, the scientist who did the testing stated that, because of a lack of data from Native North Americans, they used markers from Central and South American natives (which should be largely similar) as a surrogate. TBD, with his usual scientific illiteracy, somehow interpreted this to mean that she is of South American ancestry. His knowledge of genetics is matched only by his knowledge of statistics and logic.
 
Actually, the scientist who did the testing stated that, because of a lack of data from Native North Americans, they used markers from Central and South American natives (which should be largely similar) as a surrogate. TBD, with his usual scientific illiteracy, somehow interpreted this to mean that she is of South American ancestry. His knowledge of genetics is matched only by his knowledge of statistics and logic.


Yes. I understand all that.

Since TBG doesn't seem to, I asked him to support the claim he made, not the one he might have made if he had or could even borrow or buy a clue.
 
Elizabeth Warren showing 1.56% 'Native American' is ridiculous. It used to be a standard joke that if you took a DNA test it was bound to come up with '2% Native American'. It's almost a cliché.

Current thinking is that Native American DNA is of a similar haplotype to the Asian subcontinents, and the theory is, the early Native Americans made their way into the American continent via the Bering Strait, then a narrow land mass.

IMV any DNA of the 1% variety can be written off as 'noise'.


https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1051896652259360768

Warren has now claimed that she *may* have 1/1024th Indian DNA. This is equally problematic since DNA science proves that the average white American has .18% Indian DNA, far more that Warren's .098% (lowest estimate according to study)
 
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She did? I thought she claimed she had minority ancestry. That's a bit different.

Wait a sec. That's assuming the first premise is true. It's not.

True. A statement of possibilities, not a statement of facts.

She claimed herself a minority when she claimed herself a minority law teacher

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...behind-elizabeth-warren-and-her-native-ameri/

"The Boston Globe followed the Herald with a report that the Association of American Law Schools listed Warren as a minority law teacher each year from 1986 to 1994. In that time, Warren went from being a law professor at the University of Texas, to the University of Pennsylvania, and finally in 1995 to Harvard University.

That association received faculty lists from law schools and sent personal profile forms to new faculty members. The group first asked about minority status in 1986."
 
Elizabeth Warren showing 1.56% 'Native American' is ridiculous. It used to be a standard joke that if you took a DNA test it was bound to come up with '2% Native American'. It's almost a cliché.

Current thinking is that Native American DNA is of a similar haplotype to the Asian subcontinents, and the theory is, the early Native Americans made their way into the American continent via the Bering Strait, then a narrow land mass.

IMV any DNA of the 1% variety can be written off as 'noise'.


Everyone says it doesnt matter if shes a member of a tribe, but apparently according to the Bureau of Indian Affairs the federal government feels differently?

According to the Bureau of Indian Affairs, the federal government does not officially recognize a person as an American Indian unless he or she has had status conferred upon them by one of 566 federally recognized tribes
 
Everyone says it doesnt matter if shes a member of a tribe, but apparently according to the Bureau of Indian Affairs the federal government feels differently?

A listing in a directory of lawyers and a recipe in a book has nothing to do with Federal recognition.
 
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