Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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Belz... said:
I don't get it. If the thread is so ridiculous, why post in it or read it? I usually avoid the stuff I don't care for.
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He can correct me, but maybe because this is the current state of our political discourse and there isn't much choice but to join everyone wallowing the inanity.
 
Imhotep said:
You seem to be suggesting that not only did not taking the test prove she was lying, but so did taking the test. So that would logically lead us to conclude that she was lying regardless of whether she took the test or not.

That seems to work out okay, but still fails to address the proposition of whether or not she should take the test, which remains at odds as the two statements of "she should" and "she should never" remain incompatible.
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Excellent explanation in the top paragraph.

The key to the second is not the "she should never" it is that "have taken the test." She should not have taken the test, because she has provided such an inconclusive and nebulous report that it stands as evidence against her.

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding."

Proverbs 17:28
 
The Big Dog said:
Excellent explanation in the top paragraph.

The key to the second is not the "she should never" it is that "have taken the test." She should not have taken the test, because she has provided such an inconclusive and nebulous report that it stands as evidence against her.

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding."

Proverbs 17:28
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Get that verse to the President as fast as you can
 
The Big Dog said:
Excellent explanation in the top paragraph.

The key to the second is not the "she should never" it is that "have taken the test." She should not have taken the test, because she has provided such an inconclusive and nebulous report that it stands as evidence against her.

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding."

Proverbs 17:28
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Not to drag this out too much more, but that explanation still does not make "she should just take the test" and "she should never have taken the test" into compatible statements, except to argue that due to the results of the test, Trump changed his mind about whether she should take it.

It's probably more important to note that Trump's statements are not intended to be logical or compatible from day to day, which makes our discussion sort of irrelevant.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
Family said there was ancestry. DNA says she has ancestry.
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A claim based on wrong assumptions is not true simply because the outcome is true. A result matching a prediction by a psychic does not substantiate their claim.
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I wouldn't lump in the family claims of native american ancestry with the claims of a psychic.

A psychic just makes things up (perhaps using cold reading); on the other hand, families CAN pass down information through word-of-mouth to children/descendants. Warren may be separated from native american ancestors by 6 generations, but information can easily be passed from great grand parents to children, so you'd only need a couple of generations talking about ancestry to get a partially accurate view of their background.
 
Thermal said:
Get that verse to the President as fast as you can
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Will do! He will use it against warren, thanks.....

hey wait a minute, you are trying to trick me!

I almost feel like Elizabeth warren releasing the results of her 23 and me test showing she was about 1% Peruvian

:D.
 
Opinions on Warrens eligibility for affirmative action based on her DNA and feelings?
 
Belz... said:
I don't get it. If the thread is so ridiculous, why post in it or read it? I usually avoid the stuff I don't care for.
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Because it would be nice if we could discuss stuff that actually matters and effects peoples lives on the same level we discuss which Star Trek uniform's shoes had the best tread pattern.
 
Imhotep said:
Not to drag this out too much more, but that explanation still does not make "she should just take the test" and "she should never have taken the test" into compatible statements, except to argue that due to the results of the test, Trump changed his mind about whether she should take it.

It's probably more important to note that Trump's statements are not intended to be logical or compatible from day-to-day, which makes our discussion sort of irrelevant.
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I don't think that those statements were attributed to Trump
 
Segnosaur said:
I wouldn't lump in the family claims of native american ancestry with the claims of a psychic.

A psychic just makes things up (perhaps using cold reading); on the other hand, families CAN pass down information through word-of-mouth to children/descendants. Warren may be separated from native american ancestors by 6 generations, but information can easily be passed from great grand parents to children, so you'd only need a couple of generations talking about ancestry to get a partially accurate view of their background.
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We have no evidence that is what the grandmother was doing.
 
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