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Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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d4m10n said:
You maintain that the cookbook in question claims to be a collection composed exclusively of traditional recipes based on indigenous domesticated species? Fascinating.
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It doesn't appear that he made that claim, as fascinating as the prospect may be.
 
Stacyhs said:
But Harvard has explicitly stated that they did not consider her ancestry when they hired her.
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They did, however, turn around and publish her ancestry after giving her the job. Not that it matters because...

Did Warren ever claim she would bring a NA viewpoint to her job?
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... Neither Harvard nor Warren actually thinks diversity in the workforce is important.
 
theprestige said:
What does it mean to be "Native American", when applying for a job with an organization that's looking to make their workforce more diverse? Does it mean "effectively the same thing as European American"?
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That depends on what the institution means by diversity, of course. Has it occured to you that many tribes/individuals have largely assimilated by this time? They may even wear blue jeans to the potluck.
 
Brainster said:
I understand that's what they are saying. What I don't understand is why they did not consider this, given the stated desire for diversity in colleges and universities. I can understand if they are trying to say they would have hired her even if she had no Native American blood. That makes sense. And maybe you make the argument that diversity wasn't as big deal back then.
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"Ethnicity isn't something we think about, here at Harvard. I have no idea what gave Warren the impression she should include it on her resume. What? We publish the ethnicity of our more diverse faculty members? Haha, oops! What a misunderstanding, for sure! 'Pocahontas'... That's a good one. Well played, but really, the President shouldn't take diversity so seriously. After all, Harvard doesn't."
 
d4m10n said:
You maintain that the cookbook in question claims to be a collection composed exclusively of traditional recipes based on indigenous domesticated species? Fascinating.
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Not sure how you get an entire cookbook when I explicitly singled out two recipes, but it looks like a personal problem I can't help you solve.
 
theprestige said:
"Ethnicity isn't something we think about, here at Harvard. I have no idea what gave Warren the impression she should include it on her resume. What? We publish the ethnicity of our more diverse faculty members? Haha, oops! What a misunderstanding, for sure! 'Pocahontas'... That's a good one. Well played, but really, the President shouldn't take diversity so seriously. After all, Harvard doesn't."
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I fear you've overstepped here. You made good points earlier.
 
d4m10n said:
That depends on what the institution means by diversity, of course.
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One thing we've learned from this is that Harvard probably doesn't mean anything by it at all.

Has it occured to you that many tribes/individuals have largely assimilated by this time? They may even wear blue jeans to the potluck.
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The question is, did it occur to Harvard?
 
theprestige said:
Not sure how you get an entire cookbook when I explicitly singled out two recipes, but it looks like a personal problem I can't help you solve.
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You seemed to be arguing that it's not okay for descendants of Cherokee people to use anything other than traditional recipes/ingredients in their cookbooks. Sorry, I seem to have misunderstood.
 
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It bears mentioning that they were federally mandated diversity statistics. Don't know if that will change anyone's mind about anything in particular...
 
d4m10n said:
You seemed to be arguing that it's not okay for descendants of Cherokee people to use anything other than traditional recipes/ingredients in their cookbooks. Sorry, I seem to have misunderstood.
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Oh. Yeah, you misunderstood bigly. Even as misunderstandings go, that one is spectacularly addled. It's hard to imagine someone arriving at that degree of confusion without substantial conscious effort.

Nevertheless, apology accepted. Let us speak of it no more.
 
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Distracted1 said:
Yet I have an even more superficial reason for thinking she would have a difficult time winning -her voice. It sounds like a caricature of a condescending grade school teacher's.
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carlitos said:
I also find Hillary!'s monotone off-putting.
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I think this may be partly a question of Americans not being used to a woman's voice in a position of authority (except in grade school, maybe), and partly women trying too hard to strike a tone that isn't called "bitchy," "strident" or other pejorative terms. Lots of people probably don't like Nancy Pelosi's voice either.

It's like, when white men started shaving their heads they all looked like skinheads to me. Now it doesn't strike me that way at all, as long as they've got at least a little bit of a tan. Shaved heads are just normal.

So maybe we should just find someone with likeable voice and train them up to be president.
 
theprestige said:
I made no accusation against the cookbook itself, though I could have. My accusation is that Warren's contributions specifically represent a European appropriation of South American Native culture.

Again, none of this is very important. But consider: Two of her recipes call for tomatoes. These fruits were originally native to South America. They had worked their way north as far as Mesoamerica by the time the Spanish arrived in the New World. The Spanish took the tomato back to Europe, and later Europeans brought it to North America. Where... the Cherokee?... put it in their traditional crab mayonnaise?... and handed it down from generation to generation until it landed in Elizabeth Warren's hereditary recipe book?

There is a rather amusing through-line of European cultural appropriation in that narrative.



That advice doesn't really make sense at all in this context.
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Frankly, I think this is all much ado about nothing. The only reason it's even being discussed is because of Trump's offensive bullying and name calling and his supporters need to defend his behavior. I am not saying you are a Trump supporter. I think you have your own reasons that don't include being part of the Trump base.

I don't give a diddley squat if Warren is part Cherokee or not. I don't care if her contributions to a cookbook in 1984 were handed down in her family or not. I do find it the height of hypocrisy, but unsurprising, that Trump would have the gall to call anyone out for lying.
Focusing on this when Trump tells provable lies day after day, month after month, year after year is nothing but a diversion from Trump's lies.
 
Stacyhs said:
Frankly, I think this is all much ado about nothing. The only reason it's even being discussed is because of Trump's offensive bullying and name calling and his supporters need to defend his behavior.
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Between believing a family legend as true and being an offensive name calling bully, the choice seems pretty easy.

Unless you really like offensive name calling bullies.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Between believing a family legend as true and being an offensive name calling bully, the choice seems pretty easy.

Unless you really like offensive name calling bullies.
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It should be. Sadly, about 35% of Americans prefer the offensive, name calling bully. He was sent by God, dontcha know?:mad:
 
theprestige said:
We all know that technically correct is the best kind of correct but all this discussion of genetic correctness misses the point: Elizabeth Warren doesn't actually bring the benefits of a diverse (Native American) viewpoint to her job, and she knows it. That makes what she did wrong.
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Did Warren ever claim she would bring a NA viewpoint to her job?
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theprestige said:
Sorry. My response was more oblique than it needed to be.

To my knowledge, she did not.

I read your question as rhetorical, containing itself own answer. I then used it as if it answered itself, and drew a conclusion from it.
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So then, if Warren never claimed that she would "bring the benefits of a diverse (Native American) viewpoint to her job" then that does not make "what she did wrong." Glad we got that cleared up.
 
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