Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

[Stacyhs]

It's been quite effective at bringing out some of the forum's racists. That's a nice easy way to find out who has absolutely nothing of value to contribute.

For the first time since joining this forum, I have put people on my ignore list.
Want to lose influence, to ensure that nobody of any worth listens to you or values what you have to say? Just be racist!

Edited by kmortis: 

Removed to comply with Rule 11

 

[Belz...]

Nice try. But that is nonsense.

You don't think that's exactly how the right sees this issue?

Did you think Joe was saying that's that's what he thinks?

 

[Tero]

Well we sre set then. Going to election as Pocahontas vs Trump. Much better than hiding a server in your basement with your emails when the state department had no safe email system to start with. No lock up Pocahontas chants. They will need to just make her Fake Pocahontas instead of Crooked Hillary.

Crooked Trump will work, though, now.

 

[Meadmaker]

I think you are being a phony. Like so many others that proclaim they are neutral but every post is from one side.

That's hilarious.

 

[wareyin]

It's not just manufactured outrage, it's a manufactured attempt to hoist the Democrats up by their own "Cultural Appropriation Outrage" Petard.

1. The Left gets mad when people appropriate other peoples' cultures.
2. Elizabeth Warren appropriated someone's culture.
3. Therefore Elizabeth Warren is a hypocrite.
4. Therefore all Leftists are hypocrites because of Borg Collective.
5. Therefore the Left is wrong.
6. Therefore the Right is correct (and suddenly cares about minorities and cultural purity.)

That's so obvious it's not even subtext and I'm fully on record as pointing and laughing at Step 1.

Interesting. You didn't see it that way before, when you were posting your Bill and Ted conversations. What changed?

 

[Drewbot]

How long are we going to let white people game the system?
Law professor David Bernstein wrote in 2012:


http://volokh.com/2012/04/28/elizabeth-warren-herself-claimed-minority-status/

The old AALS Directory of Faculty guides are online (through academic libraries) at Hein Online. The directories starting listing minority faculty in an appendix in 1986. There’s Elizabeth Warren, listed as a professor at Texas. I spot-checked three additional directories from when she was a professor at the University of Pennsylvania, including 1995-96, the year Harvard offered her a position. Elizabeth Warren, Elizabeth Warren, Elizabeth Warren.

So, we know one thing with almost 100% certainty: Elizabeth Warren identified herself as a minority law professor. We know something else with 90%+ certainty: (at least some) folks at Harvard were almost certainly aware that she identified as a minority law professor, though they may not have known which ethnic group she claimed to be belong to, and it may not have played any role in her hiring.

But it gets even more interesting: once Warren joined the Harvard faculty, she dropped off the list of minority law faculty. Now that’s passing strange. When the AALS directory form came around before Warren arrived at Harvard, she was proud enough of her Native American ancestry to ask that she be listed among the minority law professors. (Or, in the unlikely even that she just allowed law school administrators to fill out the forms for her without reviewing them, they were aware that she claimed such ancestry, and she didn’t object when she was listed.) Once she arrived at Harvard, however, she no longer chose to be listed as a minority law professor.

Hmmm.

 

[Drewbot]

She's a Harvard Professor. Hardly a dope. Nice try.

She's a Harvard Professor hired because of her fake minority claim. Which she stopped claiming once her fake minority status got her a job at Harvard.

So mysterious...
https://cei.org/blog/how-elites-milk-racial-preferences-their-own-gain

 

[kookbreaker]

She's a Harvard Professor hired because of her fake minority claim.

Why do you lie?

 

[Belz...]

She's a Harvard Professor hired because of her fake minority claim.

Hasn't this been debunked already? Why repeat it, then?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Interesting. You didn't see it that way before, when you were posting your Bill and Ted conversations. What changed?

It's not an either/or thing. I can find the Dems defense of something that they could easily conceptualize as Cultural Appropriation in other context slightly amusing while still recognizing the Republican stupidity.

 

[Elagabalus]

Hasn't this been debunked already? Why repeat it, then?

Eh. It's fun.

 

[wareyin]

Hasn't this been debunked already? Why repeat it, then?

Because if he can repeat the debunked talking points often and loudly enough, it might fool someone into believing him.

Also it pisses off those who know it to be false/the left/libs/whatever, so it's fun. ETA: ninja'd!

 

[thaiboxerken]

The right wing-nuts continue to insist Obama is Kenyan even today, so it's expected that they'll continue making long debunked allegations.

 

[wareyin]

It's not an either/or thing. I can find the Dems defense of something that they could easily conceptualize as Cultural Appropriation in other context slightly amusing while still recognizing the Republican stupidity.

I'm not so sure that your interpretation of what Dems "could easily conceptualize as Cultural Appropriation" is accurate, given how you keep trying to apply it to situations in which at best only the far left radical fringe applies it.

 

[Drewbot]

Hasn't this been debunked already? Why repeat it, then?

I don't think it's been debunked.
Harvard was under pressure to hire minority professors.
Warren put her name in a minority directory, which was used to recruit minority candidates.
Harvard hired her and touted her minority status.
Warren stops claiming minority status but Harvard continues to tout it.

She falsely claimed Native American minority status in the directory, to get hired as a minority professor.

The [AALS] directories starting listing minority faculty in an appendix in 1986. There’s Elizabeth Warren, listed as a professor at Texas.

Bernstein explained why this listing benefited Senator Warren professionally at the time.

“That appendix strikes me as obviously allowing people to announce themselves as being members of minority groups in case people are looking for such members for whatever reason,” Bernstein told the Boston Herald in May 2012.

“In the old days before the Internet, you’d pull out the AALS directory and look up people. There are schools that if they were looking for a minority faculty member, would go to that list and might say, ‘I didn’t know Elizabeth Warren was a minority,’ ” Bernstein continued.

“Nowadays, if you hear about a candidate who might be available, you just do a Google search and find a resume online,” Bernstein added.

In 1987, Senator Warren was offered and accepted a job as a professor at the University of Pennsylvania School of Law, a significant step up the career ladder from her position at the University of Texas.

In 1993, Warren self-identified to the authors of a study published by the Harvard Women’s Law Journal as “a woman of color.”

In 1995, Senator Warren was offered and accepted a job as a professor at Harvard Law School.

One year later, a Harvard Law School administrator publicly described Warren as a “woman of color” in two separate publications, the Harvard Crimson (1996), and the Fordham Law Review (1997).

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-in-law-school-directories-beginning-in-1986/

 

[Belz...]

I don't think it's been debunked.

Well you must've 'missed' the many posts showing you that she was already there when she checked the box.

 

[Drewbot]

Well you must've 'missed' the many posts showing you that she was already there when she checked the box.

What?
She wasn't at Harvard when she checked the boxes.

She was at Texas, and Pennsylvania checking boxes in the minority directory of the AALS, which at the time was the main recruiting directory for schools looking for minority faculty.

Did you not see the timeline i posted?

 

[varwoche]

I wonder about the format of the form where she specified NA. Was it a textual entry? Or check boxes where you check every item applies?

I'm supposedly 1/16 English. (I'm confident this is true, but one must be careful when relying on family lore, otherwise one might be labeled a liar/racist.) It would be phony for me to self-identify as English. (Cheerio chaps!) However if I were filling out a check-all-that-apply form, I might check English.

While I think this is unlikely, it's a small detail I wish I knew.

 

[kookbreaker]

What?
She wasn't at Harvard when she checked the boxes.

She was at Texas, and Pennsylvania checking boxes in the minority directory of the AALS, which at the time was the main recruiting directory for schools looking for minority faculty.

Did you not see the timeline i posted?

Several articles have been posted here refuting your claim. For example, the Boston Globe noted:

The Globe obtained a portion of Warren’s application to Rutgers, which asks if prospective students want to apply for admission under the school’s Program for Minority Group Students. Warren answered “no.”For her employment documents at the University of Texas, Warren indicated that she was “white.”

But Penn’s 2005 Minority Equity Report identified her as the recipient of a 1994 faculty award, listing her name in bold to signify that she was a minority.

The Herald has twice quoted Charles Fried, the head of the Harvard appointing committee that recommended Warren for her position in 1995, saying that the Democratic candidate’s heritage didn’t come up during the course of her hiring. “It simply played no role in the appointments process,” he said. “It was not mentioned and I didn’t mention it to the faculty.”

The Herald later quoted Fried, a former U.S. Solicitor General under President Ronald Reagan, saying, “I can state categorically that the subject of her Native American ancestry never once was mentioned.”

This, and several other articles have been quoted in this thread, a thread you have been active in.

Why do you lie?

 

[phiwum]

She's a Harvard Professor hired because of her fake minority claim. Which she stopped claiming once her fake minority status got her a job at Harvard.

So mysterious...
https://cei.org/blog/how-elites-milk-racial-preferences-their-own-gain

Supposing, for a moment (and not unreasonably), that Warren's minority status is "fake" (overstated), what is the proof that played any role at all in her hiring? Those who hired her say otherwise.