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Elizabeth Warren - 1/32nd Cherokee? How?

shuize said:
How many Rutgers law grads do you know at Harvard?
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Who the **** cares?

Geeze. So Harvard thinks people from Rutgers are subhuman monsters incapable of higher thought. Why should we care?

I mean if I were to like Mrs Warren it would be in spite of the fact that she went to (or in this case was employed by) Harvard. Much the same way it took me awhile to get past that fact with Obama.
 
Travis said:
Who the **** cares?
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Rutgers is a lower second-tier law school. One need not have attended either Rutgers or Harvard to be aware of that fact.

Given that Rutgers is a much lower ranked institution and Harvard generally hires faculty with much higher academic credentials, one can reasonably wonder whether Warren's repeated use of the "minority" label based on a tenuous 1/32 connection at best -- which now also appears undeserved -- is what led to her employment there.

A pattern of false claims of "minority" status to obtain increasingly better employment opportunities would seem relevant to the issue of personal and professional integrity.
 
shuize said:
Rutgers is a lower second-tier law school. One need not have attended either Rutgers or Harvard to be aware of that fact.

Given that Rutgers is a much lower ranked institution and Harvard generally hires faculty with much higher academic credentials, one can reasonably wonder whether Warren's repeated use of the "minority" label based on a tenuous 1/32 connection at best -- which now also appears undeserved -- is what led to her employment there.

A pattern of false claims of "minority" status to obtain increasingly better employment opportunities would seem relevant to the issue of personal and professional integrity.
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Ladder climbing on the backs of aggrieved minorities is not a concern. Dogs and hair cutting is.
 
ANTPogo said:
Yes, that's why conservatives are making such a big fuss about Warren claiming to be Indian and calling her a liar because she's not Indian enough for them. Because liberals.
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Not Indian enough? Yes, she's a liar because she turns out to NOT BE 1/32 Indian.

That's what we call a LIAR. Someone who's not Indian claiming they are.

There's no reason to duck and dodge the issue now, is there?

Tsukasa Buddha said:
Uh huh. Anyway, I think these two articles give a good overview of the issues involved in this controversy.
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I think they don't at all, and you are an apologist for a bald faced liar.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/0...s-silent-as-source-document-exposed-as-false/

Do you protect the liars and their lying lies when they are on your side, religiously, dogmatically, or objectively?
 
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mhaze said:
Not Indian enough? Yes, she's a liar because she turns out to NOT BE 1/32 Indian.

That's what we call a LIAR. Someone who's not Indian claiming they are.

There's no reason to duck and dodge the issue now, is there?
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Actually, it is quite possible that she was simply mistaken. It was mentioned earlier that this is sort of thing is fairly common. The question then becomes how she classified herself and whether she did research beforehand.



I think they don't at all, and you are an apologist for a bald faced liar.
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I don't think you read the articles, or at least not completely.

Do you protect the liars and their lying lies when they are on your side, religiously, dogmatically, or objectively?
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I'm not protecting her at all. I'm just interested in the issues behind all the outrage (blood quantum, affirmative action, self-identifying). It is a very complicated field that can get people riled up enough as it is.

And your link doesn't prove that she is a liar. There is an interesting tale about how that document came to be known as the Holy Grail in this story, but I'm sure you don't want to hear it.
 
Fordham article from 1996 refers to Warren as Harvard Law's "first woman of color".

But a 1997 Fordham Law Review piece described her as Harvard Law School's "first woman of color," based, according to the notes at the bottom of the story, on a "telephone interview with Michael Chmura, News Director, Harvard Law (Aug. 6, 1996)."

"There are few women of color who hold important positions in the academy, Fortune 500 companies, or other prominent fields or industries," the piece says. "This is not inconsequential. Diversifying these arenas, in part by adding qualified women of color to their ranks, remains important for many reaons. For one, there are scant women of color as role models. In my three years at Stanford Law School, there were no professors who were women of color. Harvard Law School hired its first woman of color, Elizabeth Warren, in 1995."
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Yes, but that color was white. Somebody pointed out that Warren's family tree looks roughly like this:

WWWWWIWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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Elizabeth

And that's giving her the benefit of the doubt on the electronic transcript of the 1840s marriage license application.
 
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That's just someone else reporting on what Harvard said, and we already knew Harvard was listing her as a minority. What we need to find out is why Harvard was doing that.

Yes, but that color was white. Somebody pointed out that Warren's family tree looks roughly like this:

WWWWWIWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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Elizabeth

And that's giving her the benefit of the doubt on the electronic transcript of the 1840s marriage license application.
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So what blood quantum levels do you think we should apply to race claims? And you even counted her half-Indian ancestor as White?
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
That's just someone else reporting on what Harvard said, and we already knew Harvard was listing her as a minority. What we need to find out is why Harvard was doing that.
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That's pretty obvious, isn't it? Because it gave them a bogus claim to diversity among their faculty.

So what blood quantum levels do you think we should apply to race claims? And you even counted her half-Indian ancestor as White?
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I'm old-fashioned; I don't think we should be measuring blood quantum levels at all, but ability. But you do have a point about the half-Indian, quarter-Indian and octa-Indian ancestors.
 
Brainster said:
That's pretty obvious, isn't it? Because it gave them a bogus claim to diversity among their faculty.



I'm old-fashioned; I don't think we should be measuring blood quantum levels at all, but ability. But you do have a point about the half-Indian, quarter-Indian and octa-Indian ancestors.
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http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1061131901&position=2

'Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign faced another setback yesterday after the New England Historic Genealogical Society said there is no proof of her Native American heritage, forcing the novice candidate back to square one in the ongoing scandal, according to pundits.'
 
applecorped said:
'Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign faced another setback yesterday after the New England Historic Genealogical Society said there is no proof of her Native American heritage, forcing the novice candidate back to square one in the ongoing scandal, according to pundits.'
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I guess Elizabeth Warren didn't give them the "high cheekbones" explanation which was apparently all the proof Harvard needed.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...isting-talks-of-grandfathers-high-cheekbones/
 
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shuize said:
I guess Elizabeth Warren didn't give them the "high cheekbones" explanation which was apparently all the proof Harvard needed.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_...isting-talks-of-grandfathers-high-cheekbones/
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Brainster said:
Apparently Warren offered further evidence of her Cherokee ancestry by noting that her cousin contributed some recipes to an Indian cookbook, entitled (no I'm not kidding) Pow Wow Chow, which is available from Amazon. Those of you with a sense of humor might enjoy the customer reviews.
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Not quite as good as the reviews of the Three Wolf Moon t-shirt, or Tuscan Whole Milk, but not bad either.

P.S. George Zimmerman is more black than Elizabeth Warren is Indian. How's that for irony in identity politics?
 
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