Elizabeth Warren - 1/32nd Cherokee? How?

[mhaze]

Maddow does her homework.

Maddow as usual DOES NOT DO her homework.



There's a Narrative to be furthered and Protected. But now even the liberal faithful are snickering at this idiot's antics.

Well, that could explain everything...

She's seafaring Cherokee, and all their records were lost at sea.

Why, you didn't know? Seafaring Cherokees settled Asia.

 

[mikedenk]

Maddow does her homework.

It would be a good point, except that Chief Baker can demonstrate that he is 1/32 Cherokee while Warren cannot.

It also does not address why Warren dropped the claim soon after getting the job... nor does it address Warren's ridiculous claims since being exposed, like claiming minority status based on "family lore" and "high cheekbones" rather than actual evidence.

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

His ancestry would be wholly irrelevant to the Cherokee community if he wasn't part of the community already.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

It would be a good point, except that Chief Baker can demonstrate that he is 1/32 Cherokee while Warren cannot.

Actually, plenty of people in this thread and in RL were reacting to the blood quantum fraction alone (See OP). Obviously, now there is more going on, but there seems to have been confusion about the issue (Wilful confusion, I suspect).

 

[applecorped]

Why do people laugh at right wing loons?

You don't know?

 

[varwoche]

Maddow does her homework.

But I'm afraid her grade is incomplete.

Bill John Baker was born and raised in Cherokee County, Oklahoma, amongst Cherokee, as if a Cherokee.

Whereas Warren is/was just a shameless poser.

Mind you, I hope she wins. But that doesn't change the facts.

 

[varwoche]

I'm 1/32 Brit, born and raised in California. I should adopt an accent. My last name is British; I can probably get away with it. Chicks dig accents, yes?

Pip pip cheerio, god save the queeen, etc. ?

 

[applecorped]

I'm 1/32 Brit, born and raised in California. I should adopt an accent. My last name is British; I can probably get away with it. Chicks dig accents, yes?

Pip pip cheerio, god save the queeen, etc. ?

Why would you? Do you think it would help you advance professionally?

 

[mhaze]

But I'm afraid her grade is incomplete.

Bill John Baker was born and raised in Cherokee County, Oklahoma, amongst Cherokee, as if a Cherokee.

Whereas Warren is/was just a shameless poser.

Mind you, I hope she wins. But that doesn't change the facts.

I hope she doesn't win, but that doesn't change the facts. Check this out, it be hilarious:


Warren said the trick is to pretend that you knew nothing about who checked off those boxes and that you never heard your school bragging about the native Indian woman they just hired when you were the only hire. "If that doesn't work, just act indignant at the suggestion that those irrelevancies had a thing to do with your hiring," she added. What could be more sexist and racist than challenging an obviously fraudulent claim to a double-special elevation up the academic ladder?

Obama added that one could always get others to take the fall more directly if needed. "I told my literary agent to say I was born in Kenya when we were looking for publishers to give a huge advance to me at a time when I'd done nothing but graduate from law school." It worked, and then, in 2007, when he was running for president, he said he simply had the publisher drop that from the promotional booklet 'cause it might create a "birther" claque.


Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012...d_came_the_kenyan_cherokee.html#ixzz1vT0U9enU

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

I give them a "B" for creative expression of tired, banal assertions.

I see you still haven't discovered this thing called "intent".

 

[mhaze]

I give them a "B" for creative expression of tired, banal assertions.

I see you still haven't discovered this thing called "intent".

You may want to review criminal law on bunko scams and con men prosecutions, and the theory behind it.

It's often very difficult to "Prove intent". One way to do that is to subpoena email records or other documents with the idea that the perp may blunder and state somewhere therein "Gee, I thought I could get away with lying but they caught me when I lied and said I was Cherokee".

eg, that's an admission of intent.

But we are not in a court case.

That's the RIGHT WAY to look at the issue of intent. However, there are other, politically correct to the left ways. An example is the imputation of intent in "hate crimes", done initially by the prosecutor and later by a jury, if the case is not plea bargained.

Now are you saying that I am in error by reducing my standards to those of the left?

If so, then you've proved my point.

Thanks.

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

Obama added that one could always get others to take the fall more directly if needed. "I told my literary agent to say I was born in Kenya when we were looking for publishers to give a huge advance to me at a time when I'd done nothing but graduate from law school." It worked, and then, in 2007, when he was running for president, he said he simply had the publisher drop that from the promotional booklet 'cause it might create a "birther" claque.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012...d_came_the_kenyan_cherokee.html#ixzz1vT0U9enU

Where'd that quote come from? Is that americanthinker site a nether region?

 

[shuize]

Plagiarism isn't a big deal for a Harvard law professor.

Plagiarism is for the little people.

 

[Puppycow]

Garance Franke-Ruta tried to get to the bottom of this:

Is Elizabeth Warren Native American or What?

Elizabeth Warren is not a citizen of the Cherokee Nation.

Elizabeth Warren is not enrolled in the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians.

And Elizabeth Warren is not one of the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee.

Nor could she become one, even if she wanted to.

Despite a nearly three week flap over her claim of "being Native American," the progressive consumer advocate has been unable to point to evidence of Native heritage except for a unsubstantiated thirdhand report that she might be 1/32 Cherokee. Even if it could be proven, it wouldn't qualify her to be a member of a tribe: Contrary to assertions in outlets from The New York Times to Mother Jones that having 1/32 Cherokee ancestry is "sufficient for tribal citizenship," "Indian enough" for "the Cherokee Nation," and "not a deal-breaker," Warren would not be eligible to become a member of any of the three federally recognized Cherokee tribes based on the evidence so far surfaced by independent genealogists about her ancestry.

"These are my family stories," Warren has said. "This is what my brothers and I were told by my mom and my dad, my mammaw and my pappaw." But so far she and her campaign have been unable to establish that her family lore about being part Native American is anything more than one of the most widely shared family myths known to American genealogical researchers, myths especially prevalent in Warren's home state of Oklahoma, the state with the highest percent of Native Americans in the nation and one where the Cherokee are the largest minority group.

It's pretty long but it goes through all the available evidence and definitions.

Further, to enroll as a member of the Cherokee Nation, an individual must have had a direct ancestor listed among the more than 101,000 people enrolled on the "Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory" between 1898-1914, now known as the Dawes Rolls. The Cherokee Nation is very strict about this, even keeping descendants of siblings of men and women on the rolls out of the tribe, as well as descendents of Cherokees who were living out of the area at the time the lists were drawn up in what was then Northeastern Oklahoma.

"If she does not have an ancestor listed on the Dawes Rolls, she cannot be considered Cherokee through this tribe," explained Lydia Neal, a processor with the registrar's office of the Cherokee Nation.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Garance Franke-Ruta tried to get to the bottom of this:

Is Elizabeth Warren Native American or What?



It's pretty long but it goes through all the available evidence and definitions.

Yup, that looks like a good summary.

 

[mhaze]

Yup, that looks like a good summary.

Okay, so now that we've figured out what kind of a person she is let's see all the loyal libbies advocate voting for her in spite of her faults, just ignoring them... You know this well.

Shirley Lee Jackson Style! Barbara Boxer Look a Like! Pelosi Party!

Yesss!!! Give us more of the rude and ignorant, bigoted Dems!

 

[AlBell]

Another huge scandal uncovered!

Well, yes, Harvard has a code of ethics.

She should be summarily terminated and lose any existing pension, 401k, and the like.

A soldier escort over the Trail of Tears under the same amenities provided Cherokees would also be ok in my book.

 

[mhaze]

Well, yes, Harvard has a code of ethics.

She should be summarily terminated and lose any existing pension, 401k, and the like......

But she won't and the liberals here will continue to support her because she's their candidate. At least they acknowledge openly the problem with her ethics and are not lying about it.

...A soldier escort over the Trail of Tears under the same amenities provided Cherokees would also be ok in my book.

I'd include the Cherokees' slave Blacks, as well.

But not a white honky playing the minority card which she ain't so she too can grab up some of that fine free stuff.

 

[tyr_13]

What's she running for?

 

[crimresearch]

Well, yes, Harvard has a code of ethics.

She should be summarily terminated and lose any existing pension, 401k, and the like.

A soldier escort over the Trail of Tears under the same amenities provided Cherokees would also be ok in my book.

Oh, come on now... at least let her have the Ward Churchill severance package...