Electricity in Ancient Egypt

Norman Alexander said:
Boris, your paper refers to Nobel physicist Charles Wilson. He invented the cloud chamber, used for tracking atomic particles, early in the 20th century. He did NOT invent clouds, nor did he look to controlling the weather using electricity, which your paper seems to imply. Perhaps you need a better translator.

Beyond that, it is all speculative nonsense, worthy only of a cheap science-fiction novella.
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Yeah, the attempt to link CTR Wilson with "rain making technologies" is utter drivel.

Wilson became intrigued by the curious weather phenomena he witnessed while doing a stint t the observatory on Ben Nevis, including the ‘Brocken spectre’, so he attempted to reproduce these at Cambridge, constructing a device to mimic the combination of water vapour and low pressure. This became known as a ‘Wilson chamber’ or simply a cloud chamber and was a crucial device in the study of ionising radiation and nuclear physics allowing the tracks of particles to be seen and photographed.
Ernest Rutherford called it "the most original and wonderful instrument in scientific history". It earned Wilson a Nobel Prize (Physics, 1927; the only Scottish Nobel physics Laureate) and contributed to many discoveries.

The rest of the "paper" is similar pseudoscientific nonsense.
 
Hans said:
I've been reading the poster's materials for some years. He does get points for coming up with idea no one else has ever considered or imagined....especially as the evidence doesn't support them.
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Nor does the science. I've seen speculations on 'Die Glocke' that were better.
 
It is generally agreed that Charles Wilson's research on the cloud chamber laid the foundation for cloud seeding with charged particles. You can find a high-level overview of the history of this technology development in the following paper.

Evaluation of the First Negative Ion-Based Cloud Seeding and Rain Enhancement Trial in China
Wei Zheng 1, Hengben Ma 1, Ming Zhang 1,*, Fengming Xue 1, Kexun Yu 1, Yong Yang 1, Shaoxiang Ma 1, Chuliang Wang 1, Yuan Pan 1, Zhiliang Shu 2,3, Jianhua Mu 2,3, Wenqing Yang 4 and Xianzhi Yin.

With that being said, in the context of my paper, the identity of the individual who invented cloud seeding is rather irrelevant.

Konstantin
 
Kborissov said:
It is generally agreed that Charles Wilson's research on the cloud chamber laid the foundation for cloud seeding with charged particles. You can find a high-level overview of the history of this technology development in the following paper.

Evaluation of the First Negative Ion-Based Cloud Seeding and Rain Enhancement Trial in China
Wei Zheng 1, Hengben Ma 1, Ming Zhang 1,*, Fengming Xue 1, Kexun Yu 1, Yong Yang 1, Shaoxiang Ma 1, Chuliang Wang 1, Yuan Pan 1, Zhiliang Shu 2,3, Jianhua Mu 2,3, Wenqing Yang 4 and Xianzhi Yin.

With that being said, in the context of my paper, the identity of the individual who invented cloud seeding is rather irrelevant.

Konstantin
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Here's what your reference actually said:
The cloud chamber theory was first put forward by Wilson in 1895, that the ions produced by radioactive material are able to serve as condensation nuclei in super-saturated water vapor environment. The theory was at first used for visualizing the passage of ionizing radiation. It took a long time before its connection with weather modification was found.
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It then lists a bunch of chancers who trialed cloud-seeding using ionisation decades later. And have you actually read the paper through? Do you think Wilson's theory had any direct bearing whatsoever on the experiments, their design, and the results?

Honestly, this is like pointing out Henry Ford invented the Model T Ford. So he was somehow directly responsible for the Bugatti Veyron being as we know it today.
 
Kborissov said:
sorry i cant post the link.
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I hate this brain-dead excuse so much!

You can't post complete links yet. But you can certainly post enough of a link for someone else to easily find exactly the webpage you're talking about.

below should help: <snip>
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You know what would help even more?

Posting something like:

www. maatforum. com/forum/read.php?6,637216

Anyway, could you please summarize one of the central claims in simple terms?

Something like: "The ancient Egyptians knew how to get light from granite under pressure, and built some structures with this goal in mind. For example, the..."

And then cite the works in which the example is discussed and the details of the theory explained.

Could you do that? I'm having a hard time being clear about what is going on in the first post. Thanks in advance!
 
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Yep. Since the first post it seems to be bubble chambers all the way. Let's have some Egyptian electricity eh?
 
Also, no shade on the Chinese, but going straight from a non-mainstream hypothesis to citing Chinese research is never a good sign.

Okay, so maybe a little shade on the Chinese.
 
Kborissov said:
It is generally agreed that Charles Wilson's research on the cloud chamber laid the foundation for cloud seeding with charged particles. You can find a high-level overview of the history of this technology development in the following paper.

Evaluation of the First Negative Ion-Based Cloud Seeding and Rain Enhancement Trial in China
Wei Zheng 1, Hengben Ma 1, Ming Zhang 1,*, Fengming Xue 1, Kexun Yu 1, Yong Yang 1, Shaoxiang Ma 1, Chuliang Wang 1, Yuan Pan 1, Zhiliang Shu 2,3, Jianhua Mu 2,3, Wenqing Yang 4 and Xianzhi Yin.

With that being said, in the context of my paper, the identity of the individual who invented cloud seeding is rather irrelevant.

Konstantin
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No.
 
GlennB said:
Yep. Since the first post it seems to be bubble chambers all the way. Let's have some Egyptian electricity eh?
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Cloud chambers (bubble chambers are a derived technology) are far more interesting than pseudo-scientific ramblings about mythical Egyptian electrical experimentation.

If, for example, Wilson had died on Carn Mor Dearg during the historical violent storm in June of 1904 (as almost happened) the path of "modern physical" would have been different. Without "the most original and wonderful instrument in scientific history" (as Rutherford described the Cloud Chamber) the whole subsequent sequence of research into nuclear structure and radiation being delayed.
No 'annus mirabilis' of 1932, with the discovery of the neutron, the transmutation of light elements, the discovery of the positron, et cetera, and hence no research into uranium fission. The atomic bomb delayed a few years.
And twelve million dead in Downfall.
 
When it comes ot fiction involving Ancient Egypt, I will stick to the Elizabeth Peters Amelia Peabody novels.
 
dudalb said:
When it comes ot fiction involving Ancient Egypt, I will stick to the Elizabeth Peters Amelia Peabody novels.
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Totally agree! I also enjoyed Death Comes at the End, Agatha Christie's murder mystery set in ancient Egypt, as well as novels of 20th century archeology.
 
Carlotta said:
Totally agree! I also enjoyed Death Comes at the End, Agatha Christie's murder mystery set in ancient Egypt, as well as novels of 20th century archeology.
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CHristie's is fun, but with the Peabody stories you acutlly learn quite a bit about ancient Egypt.
Elizabeth Peters is the pen name for Barbara Mertz, who is a Egyptlogist in real life and has written several non fiction books on Ancient Egypt.
 
And of course you have the pharoah from the future, Kang, in his original aappreance in "Fantastic Four".
 
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