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Electric universe theories here.

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Ok, what was before the Big Bang? You know, the phase were the bang had yet to go bang?

We don’t know. Our theories aren’t reliable that far back, and we cannot recreate those conditions to test them or develop new theories.

I rest my case, again.

You don’t have a case. You have hand waving, denial, and delusions.

Where did all the protons and electrons come from?

Where do you think they came from?
 
From the Wikipedia article on quantum electrodynamics (QED), with links and bold face as in the original:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia
In particle physics, quantum electrodynamics (QED) is the relativistic quantum field theory of electrodynamics.
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There is a problem here...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr–Einstein_debates

... and the best Dirac's relativistic equations cannot explain simple hydrogen.
The relativity and quantum physics do not play nice together.
We do not have the Theory of Everything yet.
 
What make you think "they" came from anywhere??

Maybe, "they" have always been here?

Maybe. But then you've got to reconcile that with Olber's paradox, plus conservation of energy and the second law of thermodynamics. And you can't. An eternal static universe is no less miraculous that a universe that changed. The primary difference is that the evidence points towards the latter, and away from the former.
 
The relativity and quantum physics do not play nice together.

General relativity and quantum mechanics conflict. Special relativity and quantum mechanics do OK. You don't need GR for a hydrogen atom.
 
General relativity and quantum mechanics conflict. Special relativity and quantum mechanics do OK. You don't need GR for a hydrogen atom.

Not true.
Special relativity contradicts the uncertainty principle.
Special relativity says the conservation of linear momentum holds true.
A photon emission generates recoil.
If we know the position of the emission then the recoil generated momentum of the source, opposite direction to the emitted photon to conserve the linear momentum, is known.
If we know the position of the emission and the uncertainty principle is true then we have to conclude we do not know the recoil generated momentum.

That's why Einstein didn't like quantum physics.
"God does not play dice", Einstein was looking for hidden variable that would give him exact knowledge about the position and momentum - the Theory of Everything.
 
Not true.
Special relativity contradicts the uncertainty principle.
Special relativity says the conservation of linear momentum holds true.
A photon emission generates recoil.
If we know the position of the emission then the recoil generated momentum of the source, opposite direction to the emitted photon to conserve the linear momentum, is known.
If we know the position of the emission and the uncertainty principle is true then we have to conclude we do not know the recoil generated momentum.

That's why Einstein didn't like quantum physics.
"God does not play dice", Einstein was looking for hidden variable that would give him exact knowledge about the position and momentum - the Theory of Everything.

Pretty much all of this is wrong. Quantum mechanics conserves momentum. The challenge (and this is not the point of contention with Einstein) is that you don’t start out in a momentum eigen state, so you don’t end up in one either. And you badly misunderstand what the uncertainty principle really means. It isn’t a case of you either know one or the other. You never know either with infinite precision. It’s a trade off of how MUCH uncertainty there is in each quantity. Neither is ever zero, and neither is ever infinite, and the calculations do not, in point of fact, violate conservation of momentum.
 
What? That the universe is infinite in age and extent!

No need for ex nihilo seed fields!

Now, off you toddle to debate fictitious fairy fields!

The universe is ELECTRIC.

Electricity ex nihilo, sure
 
Pretty much all of this is wrong. Quantum mechanics conserves momentum. The challenge (and this is not the point of contention with Einstein) is that you don’t start out in a momentum eigen state, so you don’t end up in one either. And you badly misunderstand what the uncertainty principle really means. It isn’t a case of you either know one or the other. You never know either with infinite precision. It’s a trade off of how MUCH uncertainty there is in each quantity. Neither is ever zero, and neither is ever infinite, and the calculations do not, in point of fact, violate conservation of momentum.
It is easy to show that two inertial observers in relative motion do not agree on the conservation of linear momentum when they observe emission of one photon.
I'll prepare some figures and I'll start another thread.
 
Given that time started with the big bang, the question is unanswerable.

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So, it all started with plasma. Seems there is still a fair bit of plasma around from the "Big Bang".

“It is an interesting fact that most of the material in the visible universe, as much as 99% according to some estimates, is in the plasma state”[8] LINK
 
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So, it all started with plasma. Seems there is still a fair bit of plasma around from the "Big Bang".

“It is an interesting fact that most of the material in the visible universe, as much as 99% according to some estimates, is in the plasma state”[8] LINK

Yes. And.........................? We kind of know about plasma. We know what it can do and what it can't do. And have done for a long time. Nothing your cult proposes is even scientifically possible.

Let's take the ridiculous electric sun woo. The clown Scott wants an incoming current of drift electrons! Duh! Tell me, with your enormous knowledge of plasma physics, how you are getting an electron (or ion, for that matter), that is travelling at half-rat power, past a magnetic field that is being carried outward by the solar wind at ~ 400 km/s? Cannot be done. The only things that can enter the heliopause, past that magnetic field, are neutrals and charged particles with relativistic energies. Cosmic rays, in other words. And ~ 99% of those are ions. And there aren't enough of them to power much of anything.
Scott claims, in his sheer ignorance of all things plasma physics, that the solar wind is a current solely of ions! Despite ~ 60 years of in-situ detections telling us that it is a quasi-neutral flow of electrons and ions. As it must be. Otherwise there would be an enormous space charge, which we might notice, and the Sun would charge up to the opposite charge and promptly explode due to Coulomb repulsion. As your hero Alfven told us back in 1939;

"The correlation of the magnetic storms and aurorae with the solar activity indicates that they are due to some agent emitted from the sun. As this agent causes magnetic and electric disturbances on the earth, it probably consists of charged particles. But, as Schuster has shown, the emission of a sufficient amount of particles, all having the same sign, is impossible because it would give rise to an enormous space charge. This difficulty is avoided if the emitted agent is assumed to consist of the equal amount of positive and negative particles."

A Theory of Magnetic Storms and of the Aurorae
Alfven, H. (1939)

So, who are you going to believe? A clueless ex-EE, or Alfven and a whole bunch of detections?

Sorry, but what you believe is based purely on ignorance and faith, and nothing to do with science.
 
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