Electric universe theories here.

[Sol88]

Electric universe nutters claim black holes don’t even exist. Not sure how they can trigger star formation if they aren’t even there.

and you'd be correct!

Understanding Plasmoids in 90 seconds

Language, ay!

 

[Reality Check]

Sol88 repeats the insanity of light emitting plasmoids are black holes

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Sol88 repeats his insanity of light emitting plasmoids being black holes.
What also also this insanity clear is that supermassive black holes are millions to billions of solar masses packed into small volumes, i.e. they have relatively high densities. Sagittarius A* is a bit more then 4 million solar masses in a volume of at most radius 6.25 light-hours (45 AU). Stellar black holes have densities greater than that of solid neutron stars. Plasma are very thin in general except inside stars and in the very early universe.
What also makes this insanity clear is that we have images of light being bent by an event horizon in ways which are unique to black holes.

Sol88 and his cult are insanely ignorant about the real universe and its spiral and double lobed radio galaxies
Sol88's years long delusions about the properties of plasma
Sol88's repeated insanity that that galaxies rotating within filaments made of dark matter, galaxies and plasma are electric currents.
Sol88's stupidity of repeating the evidence for dark matter in a thread about his electric universe insanity.
Sol88 persists with his delusions about the cosmic filament spin evidence and Peratt's model.
Sol88 parrots dogma spewed out by his lying prophet Wal Thornhill who talks more insanity about physics.
Sol88 parrots dogma spewed out by his lying prophet Wal Thornhill who writes insanity about physics.
Sol88 is mindlessly parroting the electric universe's galaxy formation insanity (Peratt disavows them, his model is invalid)
Sol88 is mindlessly parroting the electric universe's insane delusion that black holes are plasmoids.
The thousands of lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 (over 12 years now!) from Sol88 about his deluded cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma. and now his deluded cult's electric universe dogma in this thread.

 

[jonesdave116]

and you'd be correct!

Understanding Plasmoids in 90 seconds

Language, ay!

Well, that was kind of a dumb thing to do! Linking to a video by some EU nutjob, who shows Lerner's idiotic model of plasmoids causing jets of ions going in one direction, and electrons in the other. Astrophysical jets are seen to be jets of both ions and electrons going in the same direction!

 

[Sol88]

Well, that was kind of a dumb thing to do! Linking to a video by some EU nutjob, who shows Lerner's idiotic model of plasmoids causing jets of ions going in one direction, and electrons in the other. Astrophysical jets are seen to be jets of both ions and electrons going in the same direction!

Really?

Ion and electrons in the same direction. If you say so.

Perhaps you could also tell me, do these - & + have the same temperature as each other?

I await the dear leaders instruction.

 

[Sol88]

Well, that was kind of a dumb thing to do! Linking to a video by some EU nutjob, who shows Lerner's idiotic model of plasmoids causing jets of ions going in one direction, and electrons in the other. Astrophysical jets are seen to be jets of both ions and electrons going in the same direction!

Gotta Link?

 

[Ziggurat]

Gotta Link?

I’m not going to bother looking, but it should be obvious. Jets are roughly symmetric. Ions and electrons are highly asymmetric. If you throw ions one way and electrons the other, the resulting jets won’t look anything like each other. Plus you can’t keep them tightly collimated when they are strongly self-repelling.

You don’t actually understand even the most basic properties of electricity. Kind of ironic for someone who keeps claiming it’s so important.

 

[Reality Check]

Really?....

Stupid questions abut the universe that Sol88 and his deluded Thunderbolts cult do not believe in (actual galactic jets). Positive ions and negative electrons bend in opposite directions in magnetic fields. Galaxies have magnetic fields. His insanity of supermassive black holes being light emitting plasmoids should not produce the straight beams we see.

The insanity that black holes are plasmoids, part 2
Sol88 and his cult are insanely ignorant about the real universe and its spiral and double lobed radio galaxies
Sol88's years long delusions about the properties of plasma
Sol88's repeated insanity that that galaxies rotating within filaments made of dark matter, galaxies and plasma are electric currents.
Sol88's stupidity of repeating the evidence for dark matter in a thread about his electric universe insanity.
Sol88 persists with his delusions about the cosmic filament spin evidence and Peratt's model.
Sol88 parrots dogma spewed out by his lying prophet Wal Thornhill who talks more insanity about physics.
Sol88 parrots dogma spewed out by his lying prophet Wal Thornhill who writes insanity about physics.
Sol88 is mindlessly parroting the electric universe's galaxy formation insanity (Peratt disavows them, his model is invalid)
Sol88 is mindlessly parroting the electric universe's insane delusion that black holes are plasmoids.
The thousands of lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 (over 12 years now!) from Sol88 about his deluded cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma. and now his deluded cult's electric universe dogma in this thread.

 

[Reality Check]

The insanity that black holes are plasmoids, part 2

Sol88 stupidly links to a EU nut's video about plasmoids that emphasizes the insanity of plasmoids being black holes in the first few seconds !
Sol88 is mindlessly parroting the EU insane delusion that black holes are plasmoids
Any one with a brain already knows that plasmoids cannot be black holes because black holes are black while plasma emits light. What turns this into an insane delusion is the real world where

• Black holes have an average density that is greater than solid neutron stars.
• We have measured gravitational waves from colliding black holes.
• We have images of light being bent by an event horizon which are unique to black holes.
• The best scientific explanation of quasars and active galactic nuclei is the the activity of accretion disks around supermassive black holes.
• First detection of light from behind a black hole is about an effect that only happens for black holes !
  
  The video adds to the insanity.
  • Plasmoids in general are toroidal (doughnuts) (@31 seconds in the video).
    We have no evidence that black holes have holes!
  • In the lab, plasmoids can be made to emit a beam of protons (ions) and an opposite beam of electrons.
    Real relativistic jets are not seen to be bent in opposite directions in galactic magnetic fields.
  • A lie as expected from a EU nut of a "supposed" black hole when that image is of light that can only be bent in that way by a black hole.
  • A deluded "used to describe" list.
    Plasmoids are used to describe ball lightning. They might be used to describe "coronal discharge from the Sun" since that looks like an environment likely to create them (plasma flowing through a magnetic field).
    It is EU cranks that have delusions about plasmoids and quasars and black holes and sustaining nuclear fusion.
  • A lie by omission by not stating how plasmoids are created.
    

    Natural plasmoid produced in the near-Earth magnetotail by the magnetic reconnection.

    Magnetic reconnection is more real world physics that Sol88 and his cult say does not exist.
    Plasmoids in space are created by plasma flowing past a central magnetic field, e.g. magnetotails.
    

    A plasmoid has an internal pressure stemming from both the gas pressure of the plasma and the magnetic pressure of the field. To maintain an approximately static plasmoid radius, this pressure must be balanced by an external confining pressure. In a field-free vacuum, for example, a plasmoid will rapidly expand and dissipate.

    Plasmoids need an external magnetic field to be stable.
    The greater the plasmoid gas pressure (temperature) and magnetic field, the greater the external magnetic field has to be.

 

[Sol88]

I’m not going to bother looking, but it should be obvious. Jets are roughly symmetric. Ions and electrons are highly asymmetric. If you throw ions one way and electrons the other, the resulting jets won’t look anything like each other. Plus you can’t keep them tightly collimated when they are strongly self-repelling.

You don’t actually understand even the most basic properties of electricity. Kind of ironic for someone who keeps claiming it’s so important.

Yawnnn....

Professor Ellen Zweibel of the University of Wisconsin at Madison notes that "despite decades of remarkable progress in cosmology, the origin of magnetic fields in the universe remains unknown. It is wonderful to see state-of-the-art plasma physics theory and numerical simulation brought to bear on this fundamental problem."

Zhou and co-workers will continue to refine their model and study the handoff from the generation of the seed field to the amplification phase of the dynamo. An important part of their future research will be to determine if the process can work on a time scale consistent with astronomical observations. To quote the researchers, "This work provides the first step in the building of a new paradigm for understanding magnetogenesis in the universe."

How the universe got its magnetic field


What's this??

Plasma, seems the mainstream is surprised.

 

[Ziggurat]

Plasma, seems the mainstream is surprised.

If you are never surprised by an observation, it’s because you aren’t doing science, you are doing religion.

 

[tusenfem]

Interesting, but I am not really surprised.
Seed magnetic fields were always expected to be generated by random motions in plasma. I have no access to the paper, but from the press release it seems the authors are invoking waves (whereever they are coming from).

 

[lauwenmark]

What's this??

Plasma, seems the mainstream is surprised.

Surprized? Not at all. The question has been open for a long time, and it seems Prof. Zhou and his colleagues found a possible answer for it.

There are two interesting aspects to this.

First, they were able to provide an answer to a previously unanswered question about the origin of magnetic fields without relying on the EU fairy tales and without rejecting the current "mainstream" model.

And second, they obviously relied on numerical simulations to design their solution. This shows how useful quantifying things and formulate them in mathematical terms is; something EU proponents always rejected because "maths are evil" or any similar sort of junk.

If even proponents of the EU theory are now posting articles that weaken their position even more...

 

[jonesdave116]

What's this??

Plasma, seems the mainstream is surprised.

Errrr, nope;


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biermann_battery

"In astrophysics, the Biermann battery is a process by which a weak seed magnetic field can be generated from zero initial conditions. The relative motion between electrons and ions is driven by rotation. The process was discovered by Ludwig Biermann in 1950."

 

[jonesdave116]

Interesting, but I am not really surprised.
Seed magnetic fields were always expected to be generated by random motions in plasma. I have no access to the paper, but from the press release it seems the authors are invoking waves (whereever they are coming from).

Preprint;

Spontaneous magnetization of collisionless plasma through the action of a shear flow
Zhou, M. et al.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2110.01134.pdf

 

[tusenfem]

Preprint;

Spontaneous magnetization of collisionless plasma through the action of a shear flow
Zhou, M. et al.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2110.01134.pdf

Thanks, but apparently I have access at work, so I could download the pnas paper.

 

[Sol88]

If you are never surprised by an observation, it’s because you aren’t doing science, you are doing religion.

Speaking of religion... The Big Bang (Ex nihlio) God didn’t make the universe from preexisting building blocks. He started from scratch. LINK

God did it!

Seems a sound scientific method.

 

[Sol88]

Errrr, nope;


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biermann_battery

"In astrophysics, the Biermann battery is a process by which a weak seed magnetic field can be generated from zero initial conditions. The relative motion between electrons and ions is driven by rotation. The process was discovered by Ludwig Biermann in 1950."

So...PLASMA!

 

[Sol88]

Surprized? Not at all. The question has been open for a long time, and it seems Prof. Zhou and his colleagues found a possible answer for it.

There are two interesting aspects to this.

First, they were able to provide an answer to a previously unanswered question about the origin of magnetic fields without relying on the EU fairy tales and without rejecting the current "mainstream" model.

And second, they obviously relied on numerical simulations to design their solution. This shows how useful quantifying things and formulate them in mathematical terms is; something EU proponents always rejected because "maths are evil" or any similar sort of junk.

If even proponents of the EU theory are now posting articles that weaken their position even more...

What? That the universe is infinite in age and extent!

No need for ex nihilo seed fields!

Now, off you toddle to debate fictitious fairy fields!

The universe is ELECTRIC.

 

[Ziggurat]

Speaking of religion... The Big Bang (Ex nihlio) God didn’t make the universe from preexisting building blocks. He started from scratch. LINK

God did it!

Seems a sound scientific method.

This isn’t a scientific argument, so I don’t need to refute it with science. It isn’t even an accurate representation of what the Big Bang actually says.

 

[Sol88]

This isn’t a scientific argument, so I don’t need to refute it with science. It isn’t even an accurate representation of what the Big Bang actually says.

Ok, what was before the big bang? You know, the phase were the bang had yet to go bang?

I rest my case, again.

Researchers pinpoint the end of 'cosmic dawn,' the epoch of reionization

The universe has undergone different phases from its beginning to its current state. During the first 380,000 years after the Big Bang it was a hot and dense ionized plasma. After this period, it cooled down enough for the protons and electrons that filled the universe to combine into neutral hydrogen atoms.

Where did all the protons and electrons come from?