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Insane "Comets are “Rosetta Stones” for the Electric Sun model" delusions

Insane "Comets are “Rosetta Stones” for the Electric Sun model" delusions in Thornhill's insane rant.

For comets we have measured masses and sizes that give densities that are not of rocks.
"Cometary masses derived from non-gravitational forces" by Sosa & Fernandez, 2009.
"A ballistics analysis of the Deep Impact ejecta plume: Determining Comet Tempel 1's gravity, mass, and density" by Richardson, et al., 2007.
67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko: The RSI instrument measured the mass of 67P. The CONSERT instrument confirmed that 67P is not rock (~75% porosity).

Writing insane delusions does not change this physical fact about comets.
"Mineral particles and atoms" being spluttered from the surface is insane in itself. That mass being accelerated to leave the nucleus would not cause non-gravitational forces (F=ma :eye-poppi) is totally insane.
 
Some "misleading OH signatures attributed conventionally to water ice from the comet

Some "misleading OH signatures attributed conventionally to water ice from the comet nucleus" insanity in Thornhill's insane rant.

He has a delusion that oxygen is spluttered from rocks by electric discharges and solar wind protons combine with this magical oxygen to give OH.
This is insane because we had a mass spectrometer in orbit around 67P and detected water in its coma, e.g.
The surface distributions of the production of the major volatile species, H2O, CO2, CO and O2, from the nucleus of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko throughout the Rosetta Mission as measured by the ROSINA double focusing mass spectrometer
This is insane because we have detected water ice on the surface of Tempel 1 and 67P. Laboratory experiments show that this water ice must sublimate when comets heat up in their approach to the Sun.
We have never detected O being emitted from comet nuclei.
And of course his insanity includes denying the over 70 years of evidence, including the Rosetta mission to 67P, that show that comets are less dense than water, have ice and dust and have high porosity (~75%) - they are not rocks.
 
Insane citation of B. J. R. Davidsson etn al. "Nucleus properties of Comet 9P ..."

Insane citation of B. J. R. Davidsson etn al. "Nucleus properties of Comet 9P/Tempel 1 estimated from non-gravitational force modelling." Icarus 187, 2007. p. 312 in Thornhill's insane rant.

Nucleus properties of Comet 9P/Tempel 1 estimated from non-gravitational force modeling by Björn J.R. Davidsson, Pedro J. Gutiérrez, Hans Rickman (2007) gives an estimate of the nucleus mass and bulk density of Comet 9P/Tempel 1 that debunks the insanity that comets are rocks. The bulk density of Comet 9P/Tempel 1 is 0.450 +/- 0.250 g/cc.
 
Ignorant delusions about his comet delusions

Ignorant delusions about his comet delusions in Thornhill's insane rant.

He whines about Nucleus properties of Comet 9P/Tempel 1 estimated from non-gravitational force modeling by Björn J.R. Davidsson, Pedro J. Gutiérrez, Hans Rickman (2007) saying water production rate falls off “around 30 days pre-perihelion, and continuing for the next 50 days,” and has a delusion that his fantasy can explain this. Anyone with a brain would predict that his comet insanity includes that comets will switch off at perihelion. There will be basically none of the movement thru an imaginary massive solar electric field that he needs.
 
Insanity that gravity is a repulsive force

Insanity that gravity is a repulsive force in Thornhill's insane rant.

"Notice that the same electro-gravitational pole faces outward in all celestial bodies. So they repel one another gravitationally ...". He has an insane delusion that the Sun repels the Earth and it is repulsion from the rest of the universe that makes the Earth orbit the Sun. Insane because of "electro-gravitational". Insane because of "pole". Insane because of the inverse square law of gravity (the Sun literally has massively more influence on the Earth than the next closest star).
 
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More "repulsive dipole gravity" + "non-expanding Electric Universe" insanity

More "repulsive dipole gravity" + "non-expanding Electric Universe" insanity in Thornhill's insane rant.

"Of course repulsive dipole gravity forbids the formation of galaxies, stars and planets by gravitational accretion, mergers and collisions" is insane because we see galaxies, stars and planets form by gravitational accretion, mergers and collisions :eye-poppi!
We have physical evidence that the Milky Way has eaten dwarf galaxies. The Andromeda galaxy will collide with the Milky Way and eat it in about 4 billon years. We have many images of colliding galaxies.
We have images of stars forming from the collapse of a molecular cloud to the ignition of the star.
We have images of planets forming and clearing their orbits in stellar systems.
The evidence for an expanding universe is enormous and explained by textbook physics. Thornhill's demented cult seem to be incapable of explaining any of this evidence.
 
"That is why gravity applies only inside the Sun’s plasma heliosheath" insanity

"That is why gravity applies only inside the Sun’s plasma heliosheath" insanity in Thornhill's insane rant.

He has an uncited phrase from Hannes Alfvén considering gravitational systems "the ashes of former electromagnetic systems". This is not Thornhill's insane lie of Alfvén stating that gravity only exists inside the heliosheath. This would be Alfvén stating mainstream plasma physics is important in the formation of the Solar System and much less important (e.g. burnt out) in the current Solar System. Gravity has no limits and Alfvén knew that.

Thornhill labels Alfvén as the father of plasma cosmology. This is idiocy because plasma cosmology was a scientific cosmology unrelated to the electric universe woo. It was quickly realized to be either wrong or untestable.
In 1993, theoretical cosmologist Jim Peebles criticized Alfvén–Klein cosmology, writing that "there is no way that the results can be consistent with the isotropy of the cosmic microwave background radiation and X-ray backgrounds".[16] In his book he also showed that Alfvén's models do not predict Hubble's law, the abundance of light elements, or the existence of the cosmic microwave background. A further difficulty with the ambiplasma model is that matter–antimatter annihilation results in the production of high energy photons, which are not observed in the amounts predicted. While it is possible that the local "matter-dominated" cell is simply larger than the observable universe, this proposition does not lend itself to observational tests.
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A blatant "The observational evidence for repulsive gravity was assembled by Arp

A blatant "The observational evidence for repulsive gravity was assembled by the ‘modern day Galileo,’ Dr. Halton Arp." lie in Thornhill's insane rant.

Arp wrote an article on Le Sage gravity which is not Thornhill's gravity from electromagnetism delusion. It is a postulated mechanical cause of Newtonian gravity from "hard" particles bouncing off each other.
His article may be similar to his The Observational Impetus For “Le Sage” Gravity web page. Unfortunately this page shows that Apr was a crank - see his Table 1, Expanding Earth section, redshifts quantization related to planetary system formation related to Bohr atom!

ETA: The idiocy of the Galileo gambit.
What makes a person a scientific genius like Galileo Galilei is a body of valid, break-through science. That is not Halton Arp who was just a competent astronomer who fell into the trap of believing in his ideas rather than empirical evidence.
The other half of the gambit is that Arp was persecuted. He had his pseudo-science about quasars which was ignored by vast majority of astronomers. The problem he had was getting telescope time at the Hale Telescope, Harvard. This is allocated according to the merits of the proposed research. For many years, his research gained him telescope time but in decreasing amounts as more viable research was done. Arp finally refused to submit an application for time and took early retirement to work at the Planck Institute for Astrophysics.
 
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"Arp showed the visible universe is much smaller than cosmologists think..." lies

"Arp showed the visible universe is much smaller than cosmologists think..." lies in Thornhill's insane rant.

Arp imagined a physical association between high-redshift quasars and low-redshift active galaxies. He had some dubious statistics where his purposed alignments were unlikely. But replace his active galaxies with an arbitrary empty point and similar low probability alignments exist!

We do not use quasars to measure the size of the visible universe.

A "the quasar is in front of the galaxy" lie.
The Discovery of a High Redshift X-ray Emitting QSO Very Close to the Nucleus of NGC 7319 does not say that the "X-ray emitting QSO" is in front of NGC 7319. That may not even a QSO.
Ultraluminous X-ray sources are one or more of
  • Beamed emission
  • Intermediate-mass black holes
  • Background QSO shining thru the galaxies
    "A significant fraction of observed ULXs are in fact background sources."
  • Supernova remnants
Burbidge et al. imagine that because the light from a background QSO interacts with a foreground galaxy, it must be in the galaxy. They ignore the fact that galaxies are fairly transparent.

"Edwin Hubble was right to believe the expanding universe hypothesis implausible" idiocy. His opinion from 1942 is irrelevant to modern cosmology.
 
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Redshift quantization lie and QM insanity

"Significantly, Arp also found the redshifted light from quasars is quantized" lie and "The nonsense of quantum phenomena only occurring at the atomic scale is apparent here" insanity in Thornhill's insane rant.

This is a lie by omission. Redshift quantization started with William G. Tifft, was given an empirical formula by Karlsson and Burbidge, etc. Arp published a few papers on this. We know that any periodicity in Karlsson's formula (as in Arp et al. (2005)) vanishes with more data. If there is any periodicity, it is not predicted by Arp's quasars erupting from active galaxies fantasy.

Thornhill writes the complete insanity that redshift quantization is the same quantization in quantum mechanics.
 
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A nice hit piece on Ben Davidson;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VOazE6M8Cc
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Followed by a thinly veiled threat of violence from the narcissistic loon Davidson, replete with lies about his 'achievements';

The 'NASA scientist' on the 'paper' was a NASA electrical engineer, who does earthquake woo on the side! Presumably NASA have told him to keep them out of his woo, hence him not showing any institutional accreditation on that 'paper'.

RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN M8+ EARTHQUAKE OCCURRENCES AND
THE SOLAR POLAR MAGNETIC FIELDS
Davidson, B. et al.
http://suspicious0bservers.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Paper-1.pdf *

*Beware: link directly opens a pdf full of bollocks!

As you can see, Sodapop, or whatever his name is, is showing no institution.

The 'journal', New Concepts in Global Tectonics, is a woo venture, whose E-I-C is this fruitloop;

Louis Hissink;
https://lhcrazyworld.wordpress.com/

The only citations to the 'paper' are from other fruitloops, and the 'NASA scientists' just happen to rent space on a NASA research park!

He then claims that his 'paper' has been used to predict earthquakes! Not that I can see! And nobody has bothered referencing him if they have.

He then goes on to make the outrageous lie that his woo is part of the mission plan for this satellite;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSES_Mission

Of course, that mission is not looking at anything to do with his Sun caused earthquakes (which we have a long thread on somewhere), but is looking at the well known phenomenon of EM signatures caused by seismicity prior to an earthquake.

He does get one thing right in that email, however; "EU is plasma cosmology + the myth *****."!!!!

All in all, a nasty piece of narcissistic, Dunning-Kruger afflicted work.

EDIT: For those not au fait with this clown, we are talking about Ben Davidson, who runs a youtube channel called 'SuspiciousObservers'. He promotes all sorts of crap, including electric universe woo.
 

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jonesdave116 said:
...EDIT: For those not au fait with this clown, we are talking about Ben Davidson, who runs a youtube channel called 'SuspiciousObservers'. He promotes all sorts of crap, including electric universe woo.
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A couple of delusions from Ben Davidson in the thumbnail.
Ben Davidson is so abysmally ignorant about science and recognizing cranks that he was a speaker at the EU2017 conference. And EU2016 as in the photo of him in that video.
The ignorant fantasies of Ben Davidson about climate change in an unavailable because of copyright issues YouTube video.
The thread where Ben Davidson's earthquakes woo pops up is Haig and his Sun caused earthquakes. Haig linked to Davidson's crank YouTube channel in the Global warming discussion III thread and this thread was spun off.

More from the Response to Ben Davidson video.
Suspicious0bservers
Suspicious Observers (Suspicious0bservers) is a pseudoscience YouTube channel run by ex-lawyer Ben Davidson who has a degree in economics from Denison University and a Juris Doctorate from Capital University Law School, but no actual science training. His ideas have been debunked by genuine climate scientists.[1] He has various websites on which he sells his scribblings and tickets to his "annual conference".[notes 1] Davidson makes far-fetched claims about dozens of scientists attending his conferences and conversing secretly with him, but there has only been one notable name at any of his meetings — John Coleman, another notable climate denier.
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Insanity and lie about features on Mars at EU2026. We have his insanity that electric discharges caused the feature because his image has craters on one side and none on the other. Anyone with a brain would expect that meteor impacts have peppered the terrain and then something overwrite some of the terrain. He purposely snipped the image to omit volcanoes whose lava flows would destroy craters!
Ben Davidson's "top paper" is a paper with bad correlations and only 8 citations. One of the citations says his paper is wrong :eek:! One is from people renting space on a NASA research park. One is a 9/11 conspiracy rant.
"New Concepts in Global Tectonics": no peer review, not in SciFinder (i.e. not real science). The paper is a vanity publication.
An unsupported claim of a textbook by Ben Davidson used in 22 universities.
More confusion by Davidson between plasma cosmology and EU. More inability to understand the plain English in Professor Dave's Electric Universe video.
"Friction driven attraction" + "static stickiness" on planets + "dark plasma" + cosmic web = electric currents + an article and its press release are 2 separate sources gibberish from Davidson.
Davidson says black holes, and neutron stars are allowed in plasma cosmology (but Davidson does not know that EU denies them!).
The infantile threats in an email (the thumbnail attached here).
Davidson does not know that "plasma cosmology is dead" because it cannot account for Hubble's law, relative abundance of light elements, cosmic microwave backgund radiation, the list goes on.
"general relativity is consistent beyond reasonable doubt (as I explained in my video with no refutation from any of you)".
"you grossly misrepresent the level of confidence astrophysicists have in the existence of dark matter".
The video description
So I put out a debunk video centered on an absurd notion called "The Electric Universe". It pissed off a lot of people, such as a fellow named Ben Davidson, who I had never heard of, but that has a YouTube channel which talks about things sort of tangentially related to this topic. Without any provocation, he took it upon himself to slander me and threaten me by email, before making a ridiculous excuse for a response video countering my debunk. This is my response to his response, because I don't really appreciate being called a fraud, particularly when his response is full of abject nonsense as is his channel in general. Enjoy.

My original EU debunk video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9q-v...

Solar Physicist Debunks Ben: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DFyp...
Solar Physicist Debunks Ben Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8OcF...
Geologist Debunks Ben Some More: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xS13...
A Mountain of Ben Debunking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxg9E...
Still More: http://whac-a-troll.blogspot.com/2015...
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A rather stupid question when the question answers it - all of them

Sol88 said:
Which oscillating flavour are you after?
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A rather stupid question when the question asks for all of them.
11 November 2019: What is the Thunderbolts EU cult source for the neutrinos we detect, Sol88 (so far deafening silence from Sol88!)

Most people who are not a member of the deluded Thunderbolts cult know that we have detected all of the neutrinos predicted from the amount of fusion needed to power the Sun. Knowledgeable people know that we have detected neutrinos from the dominant nuclear reaction powering the Sun - the p-p chain.
 
Sol88's litany of lies continues - he believes black holes do not exist

Sol88 said:
It's a whole new ball game now!...
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Sol88's litany of lies continues (over 12 years of continues lies in the comet thread :eye-poppi!).
His and his cult's deluded dogma is that black holes do not exist at all. Thus the lie of citing a paper about a black hole.
The stupidity of a random quote from On the charge of the Galactic centre black hole just derives an upper limit of that charge. Anyone who knows basic English knows that means Sgr A* can have no charge!
Sol88's stupidity of linking to a Plasmoid article with no black holes! This is a tiny part of what makes his cult so deluded that insanity becomes more appropriate. They are deluded to think any black hole is a plasmoid because they need specific conditions to exist and the cult have no idea what they are.
We have observed Sagittarius A* and it is something that emits no light having a mass ~4 million solar masses in an astronomically tiny volume. It is deluded to think that this is plasma because plasma emits light. It is literally insane to think that this is plasma because gravity exists and would collapse their imaginary plasmoid into a neutron star and beyond :jaw-dropp!
We have 6 years of observations of gravitational waves from merging black holes.
We have images of the event horizon of a black hole doing what GR predicts it does.
We have not detected any light from stellar black holes which are too dense to be plasma.
 
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It's a whole new ball game now!

The ELECTRIC UNIVERSE!

On the charge of the Galactic centre black hole



:D
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Tell me, Sol88, is that a large value or a small value compared to its mass?

Anyhoo, soon as they stop divinding by zero, they'll come to the conclusion "black holes" are indeed "plasma-magnetic entity's"
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You can't even figure out the difference between plural and possessive forms of nouns, and you expect people to listen to your opinions on complex physics?

And no, black holes are rather obviously not plasmoids.
 
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