Electric universe theories here.

[Sol88]

Seem too have conveniently skipped mainstreams explanation for Astrophysical Jets in the Laboratory.

Sergey Lebedev - The Z-Pinch and Making Miniature Astrophysical Jets in the Laboratory

he Z-pinch is the oldest subject in plasma physics. It can replicate the extreme conditions found in stars, as well as intense x-rays bursts. By playing with the geometry of the Z-pinch, researchers are able to make miniature versions of phenomena observed in space, such as astrophysical jets, which are the largest single objects in the universe. Professor Sergey Lebedev from Imperial College London explains how.

Largest structures in the universe show clear light-shifted signal of rotation

Each filament was approximated by a cylinder. Galaxies within it were divided into two regions on either side of the filament spine (in projection) and the mean redshift difference between the two regions was carefully measured. The mean redshift difference is a proxy for the velocity difference (the Doppler shift) between galaxies on the receding and approaching side of the filament tube. It can thus measure the filament's rotation. The study implies that depending on the viewing angle and end point mass, filaments in the universe show a clear signal consistent with rotation.

Forgot to mention PLASMA though, almost like it doesn't exist in the mainstream GRAVITY dominate universe.

 

[Sol88]

Going be fun to see the squirming to be done so that gravity can have a role in force free field aligned currents....

However, it is not known whether the current understanding of structure formation predicts that filaments themselves, being uncollapsed quasi-linear objects, should spin.

Electric/Plasma Universe it is to be expected.

and is now observed and confirmed by "real" scientists. papers, maths and all!

 

[Sol88]

A rotation on such enormous scales has never been seen before. The results published in Nature Astronomy signify that angular momentum can be generated on unprecedented scales.

Wonder why everything "spins"!

 

[jonesdave116]

Pith ball electrostatics!

Now i can see why you are confused.

See HERE

Completely ignored space charge effects... say no more.

No he didn't. He was working out the charge required to have an effect on the Sun's orbit around the galaxy. It is impossible. Which is why nobody has ever showed how it could be possible. That includes Lerner and Peratt. It is impossible, as is easily shown.

 

[jonesdave116]

Simple question steenkh, can charge separation happen in space plasma/s?



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On the order of the Debye length. Next.

 

[jonesdave116]

Seem too have conveniently skipped mainstreams explanation for Astrophysical Jets in the Laboratory.

Sergey Lebedev - The Z-Pinch and Making Miniature Astrophysical Jets in the Laboratory

And? They are not saying those jets are caused by z-pinches! That would be stupid. They are using a z-pinch to create the jets, which they can then study. How the jets are created is kind of irrelevant, but this is an efficient way of doing it. It's like turning on a tap to get water to flow into an experiment where you observe the effects of tsunamis, or other hydrodynamics. Nobody thinks they are caused by a tap!

Largest structures in the universe show clear light-shifted signal of rotation



Forgot to mention PLASMA though, almost like it doesn't exist in the mainstream GRAVITY dominate universe.

What plasma? These are filaments that are part of the cosmic web. It is overwhelmingly neutral H. That is why it is so difficult to observe. The only place you are likely to get any significant ionisation is closer to the galaxies that they feed, from UV, shocks, etc. The cosmic web is a direct prediction of LCDM. Thanks for linking to more confirmation of the standard model!

And the process had been suggested previously. This is the first time that it has possibly been observed;

Possible observational evidence for cosmic filament spin
Weng, P. et al. (2021)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-021-01380-6#ref-CR14

 

[jonesdave116]

Going be fun to see the squirming to be done so that gravity can have a role in force free field aligned currents....



Electric/Plasma Universe it is to be expected.

and is now observed and confirmed by "real" scientists. papers, maths and all!

EU/PU predicts no such thing. Link to the papers if you think otherwise. And these are not currents. Next.

 

[jonesdave116]

Wonder why everything "spins"!

Is that the working title of Shane Warne's autobiography?

 

[steenkh]

Simple question steenkh, can charge separation happen in space plasma/s?

How on Earth would I know? Just like you, I have no clue, and I can’t even tell if it relevant. But unlike you, I listen to experts.

 

[Ziggurat]

What plasma? These are filaments that are part of the cosmic web. It is overwhelmingly neutral H.

This isn't quite right, and I got tripped up in one of my early interactions with the EU folks on this account. The more diffuse a gas is, the lower the ionization fraction needs to be in order for it to be considered a plasma. The reason is actually pretty simple, and is all about scaling. If you diffuse a gas at a fixed ionization fraction, the mean free path grows much more rapidly than the Debye length. Make it diffuse enough, and the mean free path will exceed the Debye length. What this means is that for extremely diffuse gasses, you actually need very little ionization for it to technically be a plasma. So intergalactic filaments (which are incredibly diffuse) are actually plasmas, even though they are, as you say, overwhelmingly neutral hydrogen.

Nevertheless, Sol88 is absolutely wrong. Gravity still obviously dominates these intergalactic plasmas, because the electric and magnetic fields are negligible. And how could they not be? The conductivity of plasmas is precisely the property which basically guarantees that on large scales.

 

[Ziggurat]

Simple question steenkh, can charge separation happen in space plasma/s?

Not spontaneously. It has to be driven by some other energy source.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Simple question steenkh, can charge separation happen in space plasma/s?



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Yes, it can. I see someone else has answered this question since you asked it but you could also see that it had already been answered. I'm not familiar with your views but if charge separation can't happen in plasma then how do you think the black hole got charged?

BTW just to bring some reality in to this thread: Has a lower bound on the charge been set observational means? The only citations I've seen are setting an upper bound. Which means it may not be charged at all if that's all we know.

 

[Sol88]

This isn't quite right, and I got tripped up in one of my early interactions with the EU folks on this account. The more diffuse a gas is, the lower the ionization fraction needs to be in order for it to be considered a plasma. The reason is actually pretty simple, and is all about scaling. If you diffuse a gas at a fixed ionization fraction, the mean free path grows much more rapidly than the Debye length. Make it diffuse enough, and the mean free path will exceed the Debye length. What this means is that for extremely diffuse gasses, you actually need very little ionization for it to technically be a plasma. So intergalactic filaments (which are incredibly diffuse) are actually plasmas, even though they are, as you say, overwhelmingly neutral hydrogen.

Nevertheless, Sol88 is absolutely wrong. Gravity still obviously dominates these intergalactic plasmas, because the electric and magnetic fields are negligible. And how could they not be? The conductivity of plasmas is precisely the property which basically guarantees that on large scales.

Just how conducive Ziggurat? are actually plasmas? Would they being doing plasmery stuff ya thinks?


Do you think electric currents, force free field aligned at that, may come into play?

With a focus on the largest rotating structures in the Universe?

These qualifiy as plasma by your excellent recall of them EU crackpots and not

Cosmic filaments are huge bridges of galaxies and dark matter that connect clusters of galaxies to each other

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We are getting a handle on plasma now, scalable in the lab even. Dark matter not so much.

 

[Sol88]

Yes, it can. I see someone else has answered this question since you asked it but you could also see that it had already been answered. I'm not familiar with your views but if charge separation can't happen in plasma then how do you think the black hole got charged?

BTW just to bring some reality in to this thread: Has a lower bound on the charge been set observational means? The only citations I've seen are setting an upper bound. Which means it may not be charged at all if that's all we know.

Or indeed lowly rocks with multiple electric fields around them?

There is even talk about the largest structures, rotating at that, displaying characteristics of charge seperation and plasma phenomenon.

 

[jonesdave116]

Or indeed lowly rocks with multiple electric fields around them?

There is even talk about the largest structures, rotating at that, displaying characteristics of charge seperation and plasma phenomenon.

And? Where is your publication record on this? You have no science, and you have no scientists. Prove me wrong.

 

[jonesdave116]

Just how conducive Ziggurat? are actually plasmas? Would they being doing plasmery stuff ya thinks?


Do you think electric currents, force free field aligned at that, may come into play?

With a focus on the largest rotating structures in the Universe?

These qualifiy as plasma by your excellent recall of them EU crackpots and not .

We are getting a handle on plasma now, scalable in the lab even. Dark matter not so much.

So, show us the predictions from EU wooists. I can show you the predictions from LCDM which predicts the overwhelmingly neutral cosmic web. Which is why it is very difficult to detect. You need the 21 cm line. Or Lyman-alpha. Guess what those are produced by?

 

[jonesdave116]

There is even talk about the largest structures, rotating at that, displaying characteristics of charge seperation and plasma phenomenon.

Great. So you can link to the paper, yes? Rhetorical. Obviously.

 

[jonesdave116]

We are getting a handle on plasma now, scalable in the lab even. Dark matter not so much.

The cosmic web is a prediction of LCDM. Do you know what the DM part of LCDM refers to? No, you don't. Stick to mythology, there's a good boy. Leave science to the grown ups.

 

[jonesdave116]

This isn't quite right, and I got tripped up in one of my early interactions with the EU folks on this account. The more diffuse a gas is, the lower the ionization fraction needs to be in order for it to be considered a plasma. The reason is actually pretty simple, and is all about scaling. If you diffuse a gas at a fixed ionization fraction, the mean free path grows much more rapidly than the Debye length. Make it diffuse enough, and the mean free path will exceed the Debye length. What this means is that for extremely diffuse gasses, you actually need very little ionization for it to technically be a plasma. So intergalactic filaments (which are incredibly diffuse) are actually plasmas, even though they are, as you say, overwhelmingly neutral hydrogen.

Nevertheless, Sol88 is absolutely wrong. Gravity still obviously dominates these intergalactic plasmas, because the electric and magnetic fields are negligible. And how could they not be? The conductivity of plasmas is precisely the property which basically guarantees that on large scales.

Fair enough. However, the claims of the EU non-scientists, and Peratt, for that matter, is that these filaments should be currents. They quite obviously are not. As Peratt predicted, from his totally unphysical 'model', the sky should be a 'spaghetti of synchrotron'. It isn't. Which is why he gave up on that woo, and moved on to plasma rock art woo. And also called EU 'anti-science', and a 'cult'. Whatever the ionisation fraction is of the cosmic web, it is bloody obvious that it isn't any sort of current, as the loons of EU believe.
I think the Debye length in such a diffuse plasma is of the order of a few thousand kms. It certainly isn't on the order of megaparsecs.

 

[Ziggurat]

Just how conducive Ziggurat? are actually plasmas? Would they being doing plasmery stuff ya thinks?

Intergalactic plasmas are not doing much of anything interesting at all.

Do you think electric currents, force free field aligned at that, may come into play?

Nope. There’s no electric or magnetic fields at these scales to drive intergalactic currents of any significant magnitude . If there were, we would be able to see the effects.

This isn’t speculative, this is observed. We can measure magnetic fields in space. And they’re really small.