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Thanks jd16. Tom Bridgman's blog, Dealing with Creationism in Astronomy, is a gold mine!

A bit of digging turned up this, from 2013: The Sad State of the Electric Sun(s) - Not So Bright (https://dealingwithcreationisminast...10/the-sad-state-of-electric-suns-not-so.html).

It contains a summary of four electric sun models he investigated, and links to the original blogposts.

The only conclusion one can take from those 'models' is that their proponents are horribly ignorant of both plasma physics and astrophysics! Given that none of them are plasma physicists nor astrophysicists, that is hardly surprising!
 
Yet more insanity from Sol88 - insane lies about mainstream physics

Yet more insanity from Sol88 - insane lies about mainstream physics
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma continued in the electric universe theories thread.
A summary of Donald Scott's EU delusions supplied from Sol88's posts.
Sol88 and Sol88's demented cult have the obvious insanity that light emitting plasmoids are black holes including supermassive black holes!
Sol88's insane lie that detected winds in a paper are created by only gravity. Stellar winds are not only gravity :eye-poppi! Supernovae are not only gravity :eye-poppi.

Sol88 insanely highlights the physical fact that excited oxygen emits light that can be detected and lies about what he quotes again (no gravity!) :jaw-dropp!
How we discovered a glowing galactic ghoul (a Halloween article)
When we looked at the KCWI data for the first time, it made the hairs rise on the back of our necks. We expected to detect something, but what we saw really surprised us. Surrounding the galaxy was a huge cloud of glowing gas, resembling the shape of an hourglass nearly a third of a million light years across. This glowing nebula dwarfs the central galaxy, but without KCWI you wouldn’t know it was there.

There’s nothing paranormal going on here though. From the colour, or frequency, of the light, we know it is being emitted by oxygen ions. Our analysis shows that the nebula has formed as the result of two distinct gas outflows – winds – that have propagated from the central galaxy into the CGM. We call the nebula Makani – a Hawaiian word for wind – out of respect for the cultural significance of the mountain from which the observations were made.

In Makani we are seeing directly for the first time the mechanism by which the CGM is being heated and enriched. Our initial analysis shows that the properties of the outflow broadly agree with predictions from theory. We now have the ideal system to study the process, and can use this data to refine the models.

Sol88's insanity that oxygen ions only happen in plasma. There are oxygen ions in the gas that he is breathing!

Sol88's persistent insanity about applying plasma laws on a galactic scale. Sol88 is the supporter of a demented EU cult. Sol88 has to do that application or cite his cult's application.

Everyone else in the world with enough intelligence to read and understand physics knows that Sol88 is asking an insanely deluded question yet again. A galactic scale is hundreds of thousands of light years. The Debye length of plasma in the Interstellar medium is 10 meters. A light year is 9,461,000,000,000,000 meters. On a galactic scale, generally plasma acts as a neutral gas :eek:! One the massively insane would expect any plasma effects over a galactic scale from any space plasma. Locally, that plasma is partially ionized gas, some of those ions are oxygen ions and thus we expect light from those oxygen ions.
 
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Yet more insanity from Sol88 - insanely repeats questions that have been answered

Yet more insanity from Sol88 - insanely repeats questions that have been answered again and again :jaw-dropp.
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma continued in the electric universe theories thread.
A summary of Donald Scott's EU delusions supplied from Sol88's posts.
Sol88 and Sol88's demented cult have the obvious insanity that light emitting plasmoids are black holes including supermassive black holes!
Sol88's insane lie that detected winds in a paper are created by only gravity. Stellar winds are not only gravity :eye-poppi! Supernovae are not only gravity :eye-poppi.
Sol88 insanely highlights the physical fact that excited oxygen emits light that can be detected and lies about what he quotes again (no gravity!).

Sol88's persistent insane lie that comets are rocks when no actual rock has ever been found on comets. What we have found is that comets are porous (75% to 85% for comet 67P) and made of ices and dust (Temple 1 is ~50% ices, 67P is at least 14% ices according to a paper that Sol88 cited).

Sol88's persistent insane lies about the EU which ignores "solar plasma".
Sol88 and Sol88's cult have the insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms Sol88's insanity of jets as electrical discharges :jaw-dropp!

Sol88's persistent insane lie that published physics are a surprise to astronomers.
Astronomers have been researching the interaction of the solar wind with comets since the discovery of the solar wind. The soar wind forms cometary tails. That the solar wind reaches and interacts with the comet nucleus is part of over 70 years of research.

How Does a Comet Work? (before the Rosetta mission)
Far from the sun: the quiet nucleus
Far from the sun, at distances greater than 3 AU (three times the mean distance from Earth to the sun), a comet’s nucleus is relatively cool, “quiet,” and “bare,” meaning that it hasn’t developed a visible coma . It is still characterized as a dusty snowball hurtling through space, with no visible coma or atmosphere surrounding it, and no ion or dust tails visible either. It is, however, directly exposed to the solar wind , so we know that something must be happening on the surface. The sun’s UV light is probably shaking loose molecules from the nucleus surface that will interact with each other and the UV light. There may be low-level activity in the nucleus, creating a small coma that isn’t visible from great distances. That’s why Rosetta is designed to join comet C-G at aphelion, or its furthest position from the sun. Way out there, far from the sun, Rosetta’s ALICE instrument will map the nucleus for pockets of both dust and ice. MIRO and ROSINA will look for water coming off the nucleus. MIRO will do it remotely, and ROSINA will wait for particles to actually hit its detectors. IES will explore any interaction of the solar wind and the nucleus.
 
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I may have posted this before. I have certainly posted it elsewhere. This is by Anthony Peratt, much beloved by EUists, from the preface to the 2nd edition of Physics of the Plasma Universe. Not much different from the first edition, apart from the addition of his plasma rock art woo, and a few other bits and bobs. Now, who do we think he is speaking about here;

Countering the growth of faster computers, better diagnostics, and nuclear research facilities has been the encroachment of those not schooled in plasma science, computer science, physics, astrophysics, or high-power electrical, pulsed energy, and nuclear engineering. Without exception they rail at barriers placed to insure sound scientific technique and methodology. In times past, their ‘achievements’ were limited to hand-written, mimeographed, or in-house notes. Peer-reviewed papers in print in archived journals or even short letters in their town OpEd page were beyond their reach. However, now the internet or World Wide Web allows anyone, even cults, to present their cacaphony (sic) to the world, often citing unsuspecting researchers as ‘colleagues’ for false endorsement. As Hannes Alfven, Harold Urey, and myself, during our tenure at the New Astrophysics lectures at the University of California, San Diego, 1979-1981, said, ‘they deserve no attention’. Indeed, as if a topic of psuedoscience, the subject was never even raised.

www.springer.com/cda/content/docume...478188-p1.pdf?SGWID=0-0-45-1488394-p175232497
(opens pdf directly)
 
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The only conclusion one can take from those 'models' is that their proponents are horribly ignorant of both plasma physics and astrophysics! Given that none of them are plasma physicists nor astrophysicists, that is hardly surprising!


Can an electric current flow thru space plasma, jonesdave116? Can electric fields develop in space plasma? Can double layers form in space plasma?

Is an electric current required to make a magnetic field? Can opposite magnetic fields in motions induce an electric current in space plasma?

If in doubt, ask tusenfem.

The plasma physics around a weakly outgassing is only Slowly beginning to be understood by the analysis of data from Rosetta RPC and new numerical modelling. This mission has opened a new window in space plasma physics.
A tail like no other.

:D
 
Can an electric current flow thru space plasma, jonesdave116? Can electric fields develop in space plasma? Can double layers form in space plasma?

Is an electric current required to make a magnetic field? Can opposite magnetic fields in motions induce an electric current in space plasma?

If in doubt, ask tusenfem.

A tail like no other.

:D

What has any of that got to do with anything? Show me some science, or admit that you don't understand any science. Which we already know. What is the Debye length in the solar wind? What do you think an electric field is doing? Why is it doing impossible stuff at comets, but not asteroids?
And no, an electric current may be needed to initiate (look up the word) a magnetic field; it is not required to keep it going once initiated. Just as we see with the IMF carried by the solar wind. And the solar wind is not a current.
 
Yet more insanity from Sol88 - insanely repeats questions that have been answered again and again :jaw-dropp.
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma continued in the electric universe theories thread.
A summary of Donald Scott's EU delusions supplied from Sol88's posts.
Sol88 and Sol88's demented cult have the obvious insanity that light emitting plasmoids are black holes including supermassive black holes!
Sol88's insane lie that detected winds in a paper are created by only gravity. Stellar winds are not only gravity :eye-poppi! Supernovae are not only gravity :eye-poppi.
Sol88 insanely highlights the physical fact that excited oxygen emits light that can be detected and lies about what he quotes again (no gravity!).

The answers are yes, yes, yes, no, ignorant gibberish in real physics as Sol88 has been told many times, but not as in the fantasies of the Thunderbolts cult.

Plasma is a conductor (so his cult's lighting bolts are physically impossible!) and there can be electric currents in a conductor. Plasmas are also 3D so it is electric current sheets.
Plasma has separated charges (ions and electrons) thus there must be electric fields - this is high school science!
If the conditions are right, double layers with scales of a few tens of Debye lengths can form in plasma. This is textbook plasma physics.
Bar magnets have a magnetic field with no electric current! Coronal loops are magnetic fields detached from their originating "electric currents" (flowing plasma).
All moving magnetic fields move free charges and thus induce an electric current in space plasma.
 
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What has any of that got to do with anything? Show me some science, or admit that you don't understand any science. Which we already know. What is the Debye length in the solar wind? What do you think an electric field is doing? Why is it doing impossible stuff at comets, but not asteroids?
And no, an electric current may be needed to initiate (look up the word) a magnetic field; it is not required to keep it going once initiated. Just as we see with the IMF carried by the solar wind. And the solar wind is not a current.

What has it got to do with the electric universe or the Big Bang?

In a big bangers Universe, your Universe jd116, absolutely nothing. In an electric Universe this is what we observe using standard plasma physics and as tusenfem points out
This mission has opened a new window in space plasma physics.

Never said the solar wind was a current.

And

I’m all ears on this electric current is needed to initiate a magnetic field but the current is not need to “keep it going”.

What mechanism does mainstream, use to achieve that feat?

Easy in an Electric Universe.

Debye length? At comet 67P?

The electric field does the “work”. :D

No mechanisms, loL. What a plasma ignoramus.
 
Yet more insanity from Sol88 - insanely repeats questions that have been answered again and again :jaw-dropp.
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma continued in the electric universe theories thread.
A summary of Donald Scott's EU delusions supplied from Sol88's posts.
Sol88 and Sol88's demented cult have the obvious insanity that light emitting plasmoids are black holes including supermassive black holes!
Sol88's insane lie that detected winds in a paper are created by only gravity. Stellar winds are not only gravity :eye-poppi! Supernovae are not only gravity :eye-poppi.
Sol88 insanely highlights the physical fact that excited oxygen emits light that can be detected and lies about what he quotes again (no gravity!).

The answers are yes, yes, yes, no, ignorant gibberish in real physics as Sol88 has been told many times, but not as in the fantasies of the Thunderbolts cult.

Plasma is a conductor (so his cult's lighting bolts are physically impossible!) and there can be electric currents in a conductor. Plasmas are also 3D so it is electric current sheets.
Plasma has separated charges (ions and electrons) thus there must be electric fields - this is high school science!
If the conditions are right, double layers with scales of a few tens of Debye lengths can form in plasma. This is textbook plasma physics.
Bar magnets have a magnetic field with no electric current! Coronal loops are magnetic fields detached from their originating "electric currents" (flowing plasma).
All moving magnetic fields move free charges and thus induce an electric current in space plasma.


Finally!


Pat on the back reality check. :)
 
What has it got to do with the electric universe or the Big Bang?

In a big bangers Universe, your Universe jd116, absolutely nothing. In an electric Universe this is what we observe using standard plasma physics and as tusenfem points out

Never said the solar wind was a current.

And

I’m all ears on this electric current is needed to initiate a magnetic field but the current is not need to “keep it going”.

What mechanism does mainstream, use to achieve that feat?

Easy in an Electric Universe.

Debye length? At comet 67P?

The electric field does the “work”. :D

No mechanisms, loL. What a plasma ignoramus.


Sorry? What are your scientific qualifications? How many actual plasma physicists do you need to tell you that you haven't got a clue about plasma physics? All you have is faith and word salad. Zero science. Not a single mechanism. Just buzz words learned from equally ignorant loons.
 
What has it got to do with the electric universe or the Big Bang?...
Yet more insanity from Sol88 - cannot understand clear English :jaw-dropp.

The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma continued in the electric universe theories thread.
A summary of Donald Scott's EU delusions supplied from Sol88's posts.
Sol88 and Sol88's demented cult have the obvious insanity that light emitting plasmoids are black holes including supermassive black holes!
Sol88's insane lie that detected winds in a paper are created by only gravity. Stellar winds are not only gravity :eye-poppi! Supernovae are not only gravity :eye-poppi.
Sol88 insanely highlights the physical fact that excited oxygen emits light that can be detected and lies about what he quotes again (no gravity!).

What has any of that got to do with anything? Show me some science, or admit that you don't understand any science. ....
This is that the demented Thunderbolts cult's electric universe has no science and so Sol88 is not citing any EU science. Sol88's abysmal level of ignorance of science is a documented fact.

This is not a Big Bang thread.
This is not a mainstream ices and dust comet thread.

Sol88's usual lies about textbook physics.
 
Finally!

Pat on the back reality check. :)
I state textbook physics that shows how demented the Thunderbolts cult's electric universe is and he agrees :eye-poppi!

But of course we have yet another lie from Sol88! Yet more insanity from Sol88 - insanely repeats questions that have been answered again and again :jaw-dropp.
It is not "Finally" when the questions were answered over the last 10 years!
It is not "Finally" when the questions are answered in physics textbooks and even Wikipedia that Sol88 has never understood ion over a decade!
 
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...In an electric Universe this is what we observe using standard plasma physics and as tusenfem points out ...
Yet more lies from Sol88.
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma continued in the electric universe theories thread.
A summary of Donald Scott's EU delusions supplied from Sol88's posts.
Sol88 and Sol88's demented cult have the obvious insanity that light emitting plasmoids are black holes including supermassive black holes!
Sol88's insane lie that detected winds in a paper are created by only gravity. Stellar winds are not only gravity :eye-poppi! Supernovae are not only gravity :eye-poppi.
Sol88 insanely highlights the physical fact that excited oxygen emits light that can be detected and lies about what he quotes again (no gravity!).

Sol88's demented Thunderbolts cult does not observe anything. The cult has ignorant delusions about standard plasma physics that they spew out about mainstream observations.

tusenfem is a co-author of a mainstream paper on the tail of comet 67P. Sol88 lies by not citing this irrelevant to this thread paper and quote mining the paper.
A tail like no other. The RPC-MAG view of Rosetta’s tail excursion at comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko (PDF)
ABSTRACT
Context. The Rosetta Plasma Consortium (RPC) magnetometer (MAG) data during the tail excursion in March–April 2016 are used to investigate the magnetic structure of and activity in the tail region of the weakly outgassing comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko (67P).
Aims. The goal of this study is to compare the large scale (near) tail structure with that of earlier missions to strong outgassing comets, and the small scale turbulent energy cascade (un)related to the singing comet phenomenon.
Methods. The usual methods of space plasma physics are used to analyse the magnetometer data, such as minimum variance analysis, spectral analysis, and power law fitting. Also the cone angle and clock angle of the magnetic field are calculated to interpret the data.
Results. It is found that comet 67P does not have a classical draped magnetic field and no bi-lobal tail structure at this late stage of the mission when the comet is already at 2.7 AU distance from the Sun. The main magnetic field direction seems to be more across the tail direction, which may implicate an asymmetric pick-up cloud. During periods of singing comet activity the propagation direction of the waves is at large angles with respect to the magnetic field and to the radial direction towards the comet. Turbulent cascade of magnetic energy from large to small scales is dierent in the presence of singing as without it.
... the last sentence of the paper...
The plasma physics around a weakly outgassing is only slowly beginning to be understood by the analysis of data from Rosetta RPC and new numerical modelling. This mission has opened a new window in space plasma physics.
 
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A pulsar is a kind of neutron star, the compact core left behind when a massive star runs out of fuel, collapses under its own weight, and explodes. Pulsars can spin rapidly and host X-ray-emitting hot spots at their magnetic poles. As the object spins, it sweeps the hot spots across our line of sight, producing regular pulses of high-energy radiation
https://phys.org/news/2019-11-nicer-record-setting-x-ray.html

Ummm...explodes?

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Gas in accretion disks doesn't move inward easily. But every few years, the disks around pulsars like J1808 become so dense that a large amount of the gas becomes ionized, or stripped of its electrons. This makes it more difficult for light to move through the disk. The trapped energy starts a runaway process of heating and ionization that traps yet more energy. The gas becomes more resistant to flow and starts spiraling inward, ultimately falling onto the pulsar.

Falls in?


Once upon a time would have been a better way to start the story...

On the other hand, since we are talking ionised gas (plasma) and pulsars...

Electric Pulsars

What is observed are intense magnetic fields pulsing at times in fractions of a second. It is a well-established fact that magnetic fields are induced by electric currents. Therefore, there must be an electric current generating the intense fields in a pulsar. It is also indisputable that the feeder current must be part of a circuit, since persistent electric current must flow in a completed circuit.

The oscillations in pulsars are caused by resonant effects in electric circuits. The sudden release of stored electrical energy in a “double layer” is responsible for their energetic outbursts. Pulsars do not shine with visible light alone; sometimes X-rays and gamma rays are seen. The outbursts begin with a sudden peak of energy, and then gradually decline, like a stroke of lightning.
 
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Sol88's ignorant delusions about a mainstream article on pulsars

Yet more irrelevant delusions from Sol88.
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma continued in the electric universe theories thread.
A summary of Donald Scott's EU delusions supplied from Sol88's posts.
Sol88 and Sol88's demented cult have the obvious insanity that light emitting plasmoids are black holes including supermassive black holes!
Sol88's insane lie that detected winds in a paper are created by only gravity. Stellar winds are not only gravity :eye-poppi! Supernovae are not only gravity :eye-poppi.
Sol88 insanely highlights the physical fact that excited oxygen emits light that can be detected and lies about what he quotes again (no gravity!).

Sol88 does not know what "explodes" or "falls in" mean :jaw-dropp!

NICER catches record-setting X-ray burst
NASA's Neutron star Interior Composition Explorer (NICER) telescope on the International Space Station detected a sudden spike of X-rays at about 10:04 p.m. EDT on Aug. 20. The burst was caused by a massive thermonuclear flash on the surface of a pulsar, the crushed remains of a star that long ago exploded as a supernova.
Real, mainstream stars run out of fuel for their fusion and a massive star can explode in a supernova to from a neutron star. Real accretion disks are unstable because they interact with the rest of universe as the second quote.

There is a bit of real idiocy from Sol88 by citing this science article. The lack of Type I X-ray bursts from black holes is evidence that they have no surface like neutron stars. We have stars denser than neutron stars (not Sol88's delusion of plasmoids) not emitting light (not Sol88's delusion of plasmoids) and not having a surface (not Sol88's delusion of plasmoids).

Sol88's ignorant delusions about a mainstream article on pulsars to derail from Sol88's demented electric Sun dogma from the Thunderbolts cult EU dogma.
 
Sol88 stupidly cites us Stephen Smith spewing out cult dogma and lies about pulsars

Electric Pulsars
At least Sol88 tells the truth by linking to some of the demented Thunderbolts cult dogma :eye-poppi!

Pulsar

Sol88 stupidly cites us Stephen Smith spewing out cult dogma and lies about pulsars in a Picture of the Day article from 2010. That is not an EU theory. That is an ignorant cult follower showing the world that they belong to a demented cult :p!

Just about every sentence written by Stephen Smith is a lie or delusion.
  1. A "Gravitational theory relies on a rotational mechanism for their pulsations" lie.
    Basic mechanics and electromagnetism states that a rotating star with a magnetic field will rotate faster and have a stronger magnetic field if it collapses, e.g. a massive star to a neutron star. Gravity only plays a role by stopping a rapidly spinning neutron star from disintegrating.
  2. A "...so "neutron stars" were mathematically created" lie.
    We observed that pulsars existed and the only object physically able to match we observe about them using real working physics is a neutron star.
  3. Usual Thunderbolts insanity of citing a press release.
    This "press release" does not even cite a paper. There is only a statement about well known physics applied to pulsars from 1 researcher in 2010.
  4. An insane and irrelevant "gravity-only cosmology" lie.
    Every force that exists is in the Lambda-CDM model.
  5. A "gravity has been granted ostensibly endless powers" delusion.
    Gravity has been given the powers that the universe we exist in says it has :eye-poppi.
  6. Thunderbolt cult "capacitive, resistive, and inductive electrical environment around the star" delusions
  7. Stupidity of argument by incredibility, stupidity and ignorance.
    Incredibility that pulsars have very strong magnetic fields (15 OOM greater than Earths.
    Stupidity of comparing a neutron star to a planet!
    Ignorance that this is a measured magnetic field strength. Magnetic fields have effects on emitted light (x-rays in this case) that allow us to measure them.
  8. An insane "no neutron star has ever been observed" lie.
    Every pulsar that we have observed is a neutron star! We observe light from neutron stars all of the time!
  9. A "observed are intense magnetic fields pulsing at times in fractions of a second" lie.
    What is observed for pulsars is consistent with beams of light that we see when they sweep over us.
  10. Thunderbolts cult insanity about only electric fields generating magnet fields.
    Bar magnets exist :jaw-dropp!
  11. "resonant effects in electric circuits" gibberish.
  12. A bit of "like a stroke of lightning" insanity.
    Lightning needs the breakdown of a dialectic medium such as Earth's atmosphere.
  13. Cult delusions about the Biot-Savart effect, z-pinches, etc.
Cosmic Currents May Move Faster Than Light
 
At Sol88 stupidly cites us Stephen Smith spewing out cult dogma and lies about pulsars in a Picture of the Day article from 2010.
And who is Stephen Smith? Thunderbolts tells us that he is an author of many totally deluded articles: Articles posted by Stephen Smith. From just the first page:
  • Nov 7, 2019 The new solar cycle is off to a slow start
    A spate of lies about astronomers and sunspots. Thunderbolts cult delusions.
  • Nov 6, 2019 There are no such things as magnetic field lines in space
    An actually insane statement since the Sun has a magnetic field with magnetic field lines like all magnetic fields!
    Thunderbolts cult insanity that magnetic reconnection is impossible.
  • Nov 5, 2019 Rocky bodies in the Solar System display plasma effects.
    Thunderbolts cult delusions about lightning bolts between everything!
    Insane insults of astronomers who do know about electromagnetism and what it can do.
  • Nov 4, 2019 Rather than stretching or collapse, the rilles and graben on the Moon could have been incised by electric discharges ...
    Thunderbolts cult delusions.
  • Oct 31, 2019 What powers coronal mass ejections?
    "According to a recent press release" idiocy - soar fares were first explained as magnetic reconnection in the 1950's!
    "No one knows what “magnetic reconnection” is" insiatiy when there are magnetic reconnection textbooks :jaw-dropp!
    Thunderbolts cult delusions.
  • Oct 24, 2019 Stars are not born out of frigid emptiness.
    Thunderbolts cult delusions about star formation, plasma, gravity and electromagnetism.
 
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Can an electric current flow thru space plasma, jonesdave116? Can electric fields develop in space plasma? Can double layers form in space plasma?

Is an electric current required to make a magnetic field? Can opposite magnetic fields in motions induce an electric current in space plasma?

If in doubt, ask tusenfem.

A tail like no other.

:D
Sol88, per the electric universe theory, what is the current needed to make the Sun shine?
 
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