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Elbe Trackway

clayflingythingy said:
Muldur,

Please present you evidence that RayG's timeline is incorrect or admit that your claim is false, and the "experts" were promoting this trackway as the real deal.
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Muldur,

Please epresent your evidence.

Your failure to present evidence to contradict RayG's timeline can be seen as an admission that you have no evidence and that Noll and company were indeed promoting the trackway as real and are now lying in an attempt to cover up that fact.
 
I'm confused by the constant claims that Tontar hasn't denied hoaxing the Elbe Trackway. Am I the only one who remembers this (bolding by me):

Tontar said:
Also, in jest, following the prodding of another BFF member, I posted something that said I made the London tracks, wasn't exactly happy with how they turned out, so I came up with a better process for making feet, and then made the Elbe tracks, and once finished with those went back to making my Patty replication suit. It was a bit of an elaborate post, spinning a broad yarn, and I mentioned at the end that it was fiction. Apparently Moneymaker was pointed at it, which led to his posting what he posted on Twitter. It's truly been an inconvenient soap opera for me, which is why I tend to avoid commenting on it.
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I'm confused about why it would be such a big deal if tontar did make the tracks. Is it really 'hoaxing' if you make a trail of footprints in the woods and some knucklehead comes along and says "hey look, bigfoot tracks. I'm gonna take pictures and proclaim to the world that I've discovered real live bigfoot tracks." And then I'm sure he went on to think "..........after all, bigfoot exists. I know that because I'm a bigfoot researcher."
Shouldn't this be classified as more of a prank than a hoax?
 
It's a prank in my book and a laugh and a half. But! for those that are serious about BF it is a hoax. It has already been said but the entire BF world is a Hoax and would not be here if it wasn't for them.
Basically footers just like to make a big deal out of anything they can to keep it in the news. Hoaxes are all they have to work with.
 
OntarioSquatch said:
He never directly denied being the one, but instead danced around the question with a sense of guilt that was so apparent that it became obvious he had some kind of involvement in the hoax. So there's no proof, but yeah I would say he was involved for sure :)
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How do you know that his responses weren't just a way to screw with the BFFers?
If they thought I hoaxed some tracks I'd try to mess with them so much they wouldn't know what to think.
 
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Cotter said:
OK, so I misapplied the word. How about we call them investigators? I think they have been referred to as that more often anyway.

Do you still feel that way?
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Con men works for me.
 
GT/CS said:
How do you know that his responses weren't just a way to screw with the BFFers?
If they thought I hoaxed some tracks I'd try to mess with them so much they wouldn't know what to think.
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Screwing with Footers is like fishing in a stocked pond ~ lol
 
Cotter said:
If that label is accurate I wouldn't.

However, at this point, it is just your strong feeling they are like that.

Have you any evidence to show this? Well, outside of 'bigfoot doesn't exist'. Because since you can't prove a negative, maybe you could prove something else b/c that's not the only reason they'd be called that....or is it?
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The fact that they're selling fake artifacts.
 
Bigfootery gets real boring without new developments. Since BF doesn't exist, those new developments have to come from hoaxers.
 
You got that right, i can remember the boring nights on the ole forum waiting for something new to come along, didn't matter what it was as long as we all had something new to talk about. Rehashing the old stories and lack of a body or anything to prove it real was frustrating . I don't miss that at all.
 
Cotter said:
Both good questions.

I would be willing to bet they would answer the question though. A striking difference than what I have been experiencing.
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Oh, I am pretty sure they will answer. They will say "no" and I bet they will sound sincere. It seems this will even sounds good for you, comfortably reinforcing your beliefs. Despite of this, PGF is a hoax and fake bigfoot casts are being sold. Even if you are naïve and gullible and take shelter underneath the unsustainable "undecided" position will not help you. Even for you it will be an undeniable fact that both are profiting on things suspected of being frauds and this is not ethical. I'll touch this particular issue again later.

Back to accepting answers that match preconceived notions, what use would a "yes" or "no" from Tontar have for you? Would you accept a "no"?

Still along this line, but moving a bit forward, would you accept "no hoax" answers from Gimlim and Meldrum? Do you consider as being ethical the act of profiting on things suspected to be hoaxed?

Lets move even a bit further- Can you see the paralels between Elbe trackway, GA Boyz bigfoot-in-a-freezer, that bigfoot face close-up I can't remember the name, Dfoot's "picture test" of his Patty suit and P&T bigfoot footage? All of them fooled footers (at least for a while). All of them raised rage among footers. All of them showed how easy it is to fool footers, regardless of their ranks. Skeptics also were instrumental on busting them. Its no wonder the "best" evidence is decades-old... So, footer rage should be directed to their own ranks by being so gullible, so easy to fool. Footer rage should be especially directed towards their upper ranks for profiting over the lower ranks after feeding them with garbage and hoaxes.

Bigfootery upper and mid ranks- these are the folks you should be actually questioning. Meldrum, Gimlim, Coleman, Munns, Ketchum, Noll, Bipto, etc.
 
Had a feeling it had something to do with ego and showing off to impress the bigfooters.
 
There's a buck to be made here.

Somebody suggest to that snack-food company that they create a new run of commercials called "Messin' with Footers."
 
Jodie said:
Had a feeling it had something to do with ego and showing off to impress the bigfooters.
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I think there's something else -- a bit more abstract -- going on with this whole thing, though. I mentioned earlier that it's been observed that the faithful often find the existential struggle with the faith a necessary component of the appeal of the faith. With certain other environs having been somewhat ... defanged ... of late, the acolytes themselves become restless with nothing to test themselves against. Hence the appeal of this incident and this arena.
 
There's a buck to be made here.

Somebody suggest to that snack-food company that they create a new run of commercials called "Messin' with Footers."




And I'm sure that would go over about like a Saturday night turd in a Sunday punch bowl.

It would be funny to have the "Finding Bigfoot" team do the commercial. Make it for Vibram shoes, at the end the "doh" moment when MM looks down at his feet with those shoes on and realizes he made his own tracks.
 
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DozingConsciously said:
I think there's something else -- a bit more abstract -- going on with this whole thing, though. I mentioned earlier that it's been observed that the faithful often find the existential struggle with the faith a necessary component of the appeal of the faith. With certain other environs having been somewhat ... defanged ... of late, the acolytes themselves become restless with nothing to test themselves against. Hence the appeal of this incident and this arena.
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You hit the nail on the head with that one.
 
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