Egypt Protesters storm US Embassy

AlBell said:
Seems like a perfect opportunity to make Libya, Egypt (and for that matter Iran) radioactive glass. Then, "Hi Pakistan, Yemen, Afghanistan and Syria.".

Where is a Reagan when needed rather than the Carter we have?
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... You didn't become a conservative until well after Reagan did you?
 
At times I wonder if Al is not a liberal out to make conservatives look as bad as possible.

Yeah, it does seem to have boomeranged badly for Romney.

And I am betting that some Public Information Officer in the US EMbassy in Cairo is now on his way home to seek other opporutnities.
 
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AlBell said:
Seems like a perfect opportunity to make Libya, Egypt (and for that matter Iran) radioactive glass. Then, "Hi Pakistan, Yemen, Afghanistan and Syria.".

Where is a Reagan when needed rather than the Carter we have?
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Not to derail the thread, but I find the image of Reagan and Carter mostly based on subjective impressions.

Reagan was good at projecting unwavering resolve, Carter was trying to be even handed not see the world as black-and-white.

But in reality Carter OK'd a Entebbe-like rescue operation to save American hostages. Not his fault that the Navy can't fly helicopters in a sandstorm.

Reagan pulled out of Lebanon after 200+ Americans got blown up. He didn't nuke Lebanon.

I agree with both decisions BTW.
 
Britain's 'The Sun' newspaper unerring points the finger in the wrong direction with the headline (tagline in the on-line article) "US diplomats die as Libyans avenge sick Islam flick"
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4535502/Movie-horror-as-four-US-envoys-die-after-revenge-on-Sam-Baciles-flick.html

Of course this is the paper that claimed to be standing up for freedom of the press and the public's right to know when breaking step with the rest of the British press over the Prince Harry pictures but kept it's head down and went with the herd over the Mo-toons...
 
I don't buy that this is spontaneous outrage over an amateur film on youtube. The video has been out for months. 99.999% of the stuff on youtube is offensive to Islamofascists. Who had even heard of this video before? How many people in a country with half the population illiterate saw it in English and understood it? There's thousands of vids of people dissing muhammed and Islam. I think this is either Morsi trying to create an international incident like the Iranian hostage crisis or a power-play between rival Islamofascist factions of Egypt.
 
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Virus said:
I don't buy that this is spontaneous outrage over an amateur film on youtube. The video has been out for months. 99.999% of the stuff on youtube is offensive to Islamofascists. Who had even heard of this video before? How many people in a country with half the population illiterate saw it in English and understood it? There's thousands of vids of people dissing muhammed and Islam. I think this is either Morsi trying to create an international incident like the Iranian hostage crisis or a power-play between rival Islamofascist factions of Egypt.
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tell us more about it in the CT section of the forum
 
Virus said:
I don't buy that this is spontaneous outrage over an amateur film on youtube. The video has been out for months. 99.999% of the stuff on youtube is offensive to Islamofascists. Who had even heard of this video before? How many people in a country with half the population illiterate saw it in English and understood it? There's thousands of vids of people dissing muhammed and Islam. I think this is either Morsi trying to create an international incident like the Iranian hostage crisis or a power-play between rival Islamofascist factions of Egypt.
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While I do believe a lot of the sentiment we see from common muslims is genuine, I do agree that there's more to it. Most likely an imam with an agenda.
 
Virus said:
I don't buy that this is spontaneous outrage over an amateur film on youtube. The video has been out for months. 99.999% of the stuff on youtube is offensive to Islamofascists. Who had even heard of this video before? How many people in a country with half the population illiterate saw it in English and understood it? There's thousands of vids of people dissing muhammed and Islam. I think this is either Morsi trying to create an international incident like the Iranian hostage crisis or a power-play between rival Islamofascist factions of Egypt.
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Did you even read this thread before you posted in it?

The clip was translated into Arabic, and a few days before the attacks shown in a segment on a television station run by the Al-Nour Party. It was then picked up and repeated and discussed all over Egyptian media, to the point that on Monday, September 10, the Coptic Church felt the need to issue a condemnation of the film.
 
ANTPogo said:
The clip was translated into Arabic
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One open question from me is who translated it into Arabic? Some reports say the filmmakers did it, or a Coptic Christian in Washington D.C. did it. Other reports indicate that the Egyptian Media did it during the reporting.
 
marksman said:
One open question from me is who translated it into Arabic? Some reports say the filmmakers did it, or a Coptic Christian in Washington D.C. did it. Other reports indicate that the Egyptian Media did it during the reporting.
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I'm not sure, but the person at the heart of the film's production definitely speaks Arabic, since he not only posted clips of the film under the YouTube username "Sam Bacile" back in July, he also posted a YouTube comment about the film, "It is a 100 percent American movie, you cows", in Arabic on Tuesday.
 
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ANTPogo said:
I'm not sure, but the person at the heart of the film's production definitely speaks Arabic, since he not only posted clips of the film under the YouTube username "Sam Bacile" back in July, he also posted a YouTube comment about the film, "It is a 100 percent American movie, you cows", in Arabic on Tuesday.
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Right. But the timing of the posting of the subtitled film is weird. It happened around the same time that Egyptian media showed it. If his initial goal was to create riots in the Middle East, why wait until September to insert the subtitles, when he could have done it in July when the trailer was first put on YouTube? Did Egyptian media insert subtitles for their reporting, which Bacile then captured and posted or did Bacile insert the subtitles, which the Egyptian media took and reported?

Just because Bacile speaks Arabic (he is likely an Egyptian expatriate) doesn't mean he inserted the subtitles. The Egyptian media speaks Arabic too, after all.
 
Actors have reported playing roles in it, and permits for filming have been found by news agencies.
 
marksman said:
Right. But the timing of the posting of the subtitled film is weird. It happened around the same time that Egyptian media showed it. If his initial goal was to create riots in the Middle East, why wait until September to insert the subtitles, when he could have done it in July when the trailer was first put on YouTube? Did Egyptian media insert subtitles for their reporting, which Bacile then captured and posted or did Bacile insert the subtitles, which the Egyptian media took and reported?

Just because Bacile speaks Arabic (he is likely an Egyptian expatriate) doesn't mean he inserted the subtitles. The Egyptian media speaks Arabic too, after all.
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And in either case, there's still that question of timing: why did it not become a big deal on Egyptian media until a few days ago. If Bacile was responsible, why did he wait so long after uploading the initial trailer? If the Egyptian media was responsible, why did they wait so long after the initial trailer was uploaded?
 
ANTPogo said:
And in either case, there's still that question of timing: why did it not become a big deal on Egyptian media until a few days ago. If Bacile was responsible, why did he wait so long after uploading the initial trailer? If the Egyptian media was responsible, why did they wait so long after the initial trailer was uploaded?
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Agreed. Which is why it seems to me the timing was designed to coincide with 9/11. In late August, Egyptian imams seeking a riot went looking for provocation and found this video sitting on YouTube. So they started a controversy, the Egyptian media ran with it. Either they or Bacile put the captions in, and the rest is now history. The imams have the appropriate motivation for the timing, not Bacile and not the Egyptian media. (And some terror cells in Libya saw the Egyptian unrest and decided to stoke it in Benghazi to use as cover for their coordinated strike against the Embassy.)
 
Checkmite said:
Actors have reported playing roles in it, and permits for filming have been found by news agencies.
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So far the only person identified as an actor is Tim Dax, and he his not showing a credit for the film at IMDb. Cindy Lee Garcia,also claiming to be an actress appears not to have any film credits IMDb at all.

The film is not listed nor is the possible alternate title Innocence of Bin Laden This all very telling, because production crews an actors need these listings to keep up their accreditation.

Now sure IMDb is not the be all end all source of films, but in my years of using the site and contributing data I have never ever seen an English speaking film not listed
 
NoahFence said:
Its illegal to incite a riot, isn't it? What's the difference?
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Glad you asked, it was defined 150 years ago in On Liberty
John Stuart Mill said:
An opinion that corn-dealers are starvers of the poor, or that private property is robbery, ought to be unmolested when simply circulated through the press, but may justly incur punishment when delivered orally to an excited mob assembled before the house of a corn-dealer, or when handed about among the same mob in the form of a placard.
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It's the agitator who is guilty, in this case the Imans egging the hysterical mob along.
 
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Virus said:
...I think this is either Morsi trying to create an international incident like the Iranian hostage crisis or a power-play between rival Islamofascist factions of Egypt.
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tell us more about it in the CT section of the forum
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I don't think the specifics Virus conjectures are necessarily correct, however, the gist is.

There is much much more to the sociopolitical goings on across the whole Middle East than just some spontaneous knee-jerk reaction of a bunch of fanatics stirred up by a cleric or two.

And the US is likely more of a convenient rallying target than the actual enemy. The real struggle is likely extremists left out of power because the majority does not support them.

It's very complicated and we'd be wise to look at the broader picture here, not just the surface events.
 
MG1962 said:
I still want to see evidence this film even exists
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My Mom says she heard there is no film, just the promo clip. I have yet to confirm that, but watching the promo clip it wouldn't surprise me.
 
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