Edward Felt Flight 93

[Carll68]

Has anyone been able to ascertain why it was reported that Mr. Felt stated there was an explosion and smoke, or if indeed this was even stated in the first place?

Any audio of the report where it was reported, if it was reported, that Mr. Felt stated there was smoke and an explosion?

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Occam is rolling over in his grave bio!

TAM

Rolling over in his grave? T.A.M., we could wrap a belt on the guy and power a generator with all the spinning he's doing.

Maybe that's an argument for keeping this subforum going: Belt up Occam and Newton, then keep the truthers posting. Let Christophera and P'Doh back in, and we could power the whole Atlantic seaboard, from the Florida Keys to Nova Scotia.

 

[sylvan8798]

IMO, 70,000¹ people would be about right for the number of people involved with faking the standard story of the hijacking of the 4 planes.

[truthermode] 1) they were all compartmentalized into 70,000 compartments, and so didn't realize the contribution of their tiny part. Ever. 2) they were told it was important to national security, blah, blah, and thus were convinced by their previous brainwashing to be patriotic, psychopathic little sheeple following along for the sake of the country. 3) they were as dumb as a bag of hammers. [/truthermode]

ETA: I've been reading truthercrap too long. I can parrot them too well.

 

[bio]

Phone system hackers of my distant acquaintance, two of whom have done federal time for messing with phone systems have made this statement. This is not "CALLER ID" that shows up in your handset, that can be easily faked.

The call data is the data used to generate your phone bills and the phone company takes very good care of it.

Yes, it could be faked just like the books for the bank can be faked if you have enough people inside the company and in on the scam, but it's lots of people for the phone system or the bank.

In any case, the Felt's call data is consistent with everything else we know about Flight 93. You'd have to fake lots more than the call data to keep a consistent story.

IMO, 70,000¹ people would be about right for the number of people involved with faking the standard story of the hijacking of the 4 planes.

I've been on the white-hat side of hacking, some of it in a professional capacity since about 1980.

1. Gravy's estimate of the number of people involved with the recovery and investigation of what happened on 9/11.

i think, you make up a straw man here, because in this case it was not necessary to "hack a call".

 

[dafydd]

Calling all Jammoniouses..........

 

[BigAl]

i think, you make up a straw man here, because in this case it was not necessary to "hack a call".

Huh?

 

[Wolrab]

I wonder if there is a way, using today's technology, to call someone, pretend you are a loved one, respond correctly to whatever is asked, and be believed. All this must be done in real time without knowing who you are going to be faking until an hour before the call. It must also be done for however many phone calls were made from all the planes.

How come truthers aren't doing this very simple experiment? They could do a weekly (weakly) internet radio show demonstrating how easy this is to accomplish. Oops, that's right, they would actually be required to do something.

 

[bio]

I wonder if there is a way, using today's technology, to call someone, pretend you are a loved one, respond correctly to whatever is asked, and be believed. All this must be done in real time without knowing who you are going to be faking until an hour before the call. It must also be done for however many phone calls were made from all the planes.

How come truthers aren't doing this very simple experiment? They could do a weekly (weakly) internet radio show demonstrating how easy this is to accomplish. Oops, that's right, they would actually be required to do something.

There are hints, that the original call, which Mister Shaw received, is different to call, the relatives of Mister Felt could hear.

Why one hour? This is a straw man.
There was plenty of time. Nevertheless the voice morphing was not perfect, because obviously they had problems to imitate a voice, which was "crying ... frightened, scared, and anxious". So the voice became very calm afterwards.

 

[TruthersLie]

There are hints, that the original call, which Mister Shaw received, is different to call, the relatives of Mister Felt could hear.

Why one hour? This is a straw man.
There was plenty of time. Nevertheless the voice morphing was not perfect, because obviously they had problems to imitate a voice, which was "crying ... frightened, scared, and anxious". So the voice became very calm afterwards.

Or...

there is a much simpler explaination.

The operator heard people in the background who were upset, possibly crying and transposed the people.

That and maybe the operator who was reporting on what Mr Shaw said AFTER the crash, was shook up and projected their emtions on Mr. Shaw.

OR Mr. Shaw's brother knowing his brother better understood that he wasn't shook up.

OR Mr. Shaws brother doesn't want to have the last living memory of his brother forever discussed by spineless imbicles who will mock him and make fun of him like with Gordon Brown (IIRC) and his son who was on flight 77.

Gee... lets see... what makes much more sense?

massive government conspiracy using unheard of levels of deceptions with hundreds/thousands of individuals involved or 19 hijackers crashing 4 jets and killing about 3,000 people? Hmmm.... let me think about that.

 

[Wolrab]

One hour because some passengers were last minute. That is not a straw man argument, it is reality.

Are you going to get the experiment started? Show us big bad evil duhbunkers how full of it we are? Here is your big chance.

 

[TruthersLie]

Again and again and again.

wouldn't it be much simplier and easier to just crash the jet for real? Why do you need to send fake voice calls, when you hijacke the jet (or take it over by remote, or whatever) and are going to crash it?

Were the masterminds squemish or something?

 

[twinstead]

Again and again and again.

wouldn't it be much simplier and easier to just crash the jet for real? Why do you need to send fake voice calls, when you hijacke the jet (or take it over by remote, or whatever) and are going to crash it?

Dude. That's just not cool and exciting enough.

 

[bio]

One hour because some passengers were last minute. That is not a straw man argument, it is reality.

Are you going to get the experiment started? Show us big bad evil duhbunkers how full of it we are? Here is your big chance.

I am not writing about voice morphing of the original call, but from the "call" the relatives of Mister Felt heart, and the transcript is from.

 

[bio]

Or...

there is a much simpler explaination.

The operator heard people in the background who were upset, possibly crying and transposed the people.

That and maybe the operator who was reporting on what Mr Shaw said AFTER the crash, was shook up and projected their emtions on Mr. Shaw.

OR Mr. Shaw's brother knowing his brother better understood that he wasn't shook up.

OR Mr. Shaws brother doesn't want to have the last living memory of his brother forever discussed by spineless imbicles who will mock him and make fun of him like with Gordon Brown (IIRC) and his son who was on flight 77.

Gee... lets see... what makes much more sense?

massive government conspiracy using unheard of levels of deceptions with hundreds/thousands of individuals involved or 19 hijackers crashing 4 jets and killing about 3,000 people? Hmmm.... let me think about that.

i love this typical "jref-debunking"...

the question is, who is or was fantasying.

...unfortunately it seems, that the US-Goverment does not want, that we ask the operater.

 

[TruthersLie]

i love this typical "jref-debunking"...

the question is, who is or was fantasying.

...unfortunately it seems, that the US-Goverment does not want, that we ask the operater.

so again...

a conspiracy in the thousands necessary to do voice morphing technology... or simple human errors?

Yes... choose the rube goldberg (damn dem jooooz) conspiracy machine.

Wouldn't it have been easier just to crash the jet into the ground? Hmmmm?

ETA:

unfortunately it seems, that the US-Goverment does not want, that we ask the operater.

... unfortunately it seems, that since you do not understand what commas are for, you should go back to school.

 

[sylvan8798]

i love this typical "jref-debunking"...

the question is, who is or was fantasying.

...unfortunately it seems, that the US-Goverment does not want, that we ask the operater.

Do you speak English?

 

[BigAl]

I am not writing about voice morphing of the original call, but from the "call" the relatives of Mister Felt heart, and the transcript is from.

Felt's call proved he was on the plane and that the plane was on it's way to a crash at Shanksville.

I have no idea what point your ramblings are trying to make.

 

[T.A.M.]

There are hints, that the original call, which Mister Shaw received, is different to call, the relatives of Mister Felt could hear.

Why one hour? This is a straw man.
There was plenty of time. Nevertheless the voice morphing was not perfect, because obviously they had problems to imitate a voice, which was "crying ... frightened, scared, and anxious". So the voice became very calm afterwards.

Yes, and in one case they seemed to psychicly know the combination to the safe one of the flight victims had, because the fake caller gave the combination to the person over the phone as the hijacking was occuring.

Amazing the NWO is...

TAM

 

[BigAl]

Yes, and in one case they seemed to psychicly know the combination to the safe one of the flight victims had, because the fake caller gave the combination to the person over the phone as the hijacking was occuring.

Amazing the NWO is...

TAM

Wasn't one of the calls made by a passenger that was bumped to onne of the to-be-hijacked planes at the last minute? There would be no way to know the name in advance and prepare to fake his call.

 

[sylvan8798]

Wasn't one of the calls made by a passenger that was bumped to onne of the to-be-hijacked planes at the last minute? There would be no way to know the name in advance and prepare to fake his call.

Oh gees, it was just planned to look that way to give the story better creds...