Ed Schultz rules!

[Sundog]

Although I have not tested it, the website that Sundog provides in the opening post provides a link to listen to the show on the net.

You may like him, you may not. But I'd almost be willing to bet money that you'll be entertained.

And I WILL listen to Larry Elder, I promise, and not just one show.

 

[RandFan]

Well,

He is interesting I'll give you that.

Well, maybe not exactly the left. Schultz, 49, has voted for only one Democrat that he can recall, a local congressman. He's opposed to abortion in all circumstances. He considers Buchanan a friend. Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, he says, gives him "the willies."

He's prone to say things like: "I'd like to see the president get all the illegals out of the country, so we can start all over again."
And yet, thanks to that bologna sandwich, Schultz considers himself "a guntoting, meat-eating leftie."

 

[RandFan]

Although I have not tested it, the website that Sundog provides in the opening post provides a link to listen to the show on the net.

It looks like I just missed the show. I'll try tomorrow.

 

[gnome]

Kewl. Please educate me. What message does a liberal have not covered by "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"?

You must be short on education if you don't know the difference between a liberal and a communist.

 

[RandFan]

It looks like I just missed the show. I'll try tomorrow.

My math sucks. I didn't miss the show but the link returns an error message.

Windows Media Player cannot connect to the server hosting the content you want to play.

 

[Grammatron]

My math sucks. I didn't miss the show but the link returns an error message.

Windows Media Player cannot connect to the server hosting the content you want to play.

I think you did miss the show since 3-6pm ET is 12-3 pm PST.

 

[hammegk]

You must be short on education if you don't know the difference between a liberal and a communist.

Actually, you are wrong about the education, but correct about me being unable to discern any meaningful distinction between the purest Marxism imaginable, and US "liberals" cerca 2004.

 

[gnome]

Actually, you are wrong about the education, but correct about me being unable to discern any meaningful distinction between the purest Marxism imaginable, and US "liberals" cerca 2004.

That just shows that you're not paying attention or finding out, and instead choosing to believe what you think liberals are.

Or, you know damn well the difference between them but find it useful to smear them with the term. Can you come up with a name-calling that's more original than yelling "commie"?

 

[gnome]

Tell you what, I'll give you a chance to prove you're serious.

Name three significant differences that a liberal would point out to distinguish themselves from a communist, and state your argument why that distinction is false.

If you don't know the arguments of your opponents, you don't know whether they're right or wrong.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

We need some more liberals with that firy, direct approach. Glad to see we have one of them on our side now, getting the message out.

I can recommend Bernie Ward and Ray Taliaferro, both heard on 810 KGO - San Francisco.

 

[hammegk]

Tell you what, I'll give you a chance to prove you're serious.

Yes, I know that you and other liberals have faith that human nature has changed for the better, that good and evil do not exist, that the lion will lay down with the lamb, yadda-yadda-yadda.

I have faith in things like, political power comes from the barrel of a gun, power corrupts, and good and evil actually are real existents.

If you don't know the arguments of your opponents, you don't know whether they're right or wrong.

Sophistry using unfounded premises is your only useful tool.

 

[gnome]

Sophistry using unfounded premises is your only useful tool.

Blah, blah, blah. I'm giving you a perfectly good opportunity to demonstrate that you know what you're talking about and you're blowing it off. This proves to me you either don't know what you're talking about, or you're intentionally distorting the truth because you know that your inflammatory comments will resonate, but if you actually argue it, you'll lose.

Either way you're full of bull, and I think you just demonstrated it.

 

[hammegk]

Bunkie, if you have a set of premises that allow you to see vast differences between "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" and US pc'libs cerca 2004, good for you.

Too bad those premises are worthless crap. Note that you had a great opportunity to name a couple things that indisputably separate the ideals of each system. Rather than providing real data, all you chose to do was pule & whine about my stupidity & lack of education. Feel free to go bite a big one, and also provide someone else a "perfectly good opportunity".


Just my nsho, of course. Enough of this from me, here, now.

 

[gnome]

Bunkie, if you have a set of premises that allow you to see vast differences between "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" and US pc'libs cerca 2004, good for you.

Too bad those premises are worthless crap. Note that you had a great opportunity to name a couple things that indisputably separate the ideals of each system. Rather than providing real data, all you chose to do was pule & whine about my stupidity & lack of education. Feel free to go bite a big one, and also provide someone else a "perfectly good opportunity".


Just my nsho, of course. Enough of this from me, here, now.

I refuse to start an argument from the beginning that has been fought before plenty of times. The slur that liberals are communists is nothing new. If you want to renew that argument, you should at least be familiar with the backround of the issue.

I shouldn't have to provide data on what liberals are like--you claim to already know about them. Lay it out, and let the readers be the judge if you really have any idea of what liberalism is about.

 

[Tony]

The slur that liberals are communists is nothing new.

Communists do challenge the status quo. Wouldn't that make them liberal by your own definition?

 

[hammegk]

.... if you have a set of premises that allow you to see vast differences between "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" and US pc'libs cerca 2004 ...

please share just one (1) of them, and we can discuss your basis for believing in the truth-value of that premise.


Can't think of even 1 thing can you?

 

[gnome]

please share just one (1) of them, and we can discuss your basis for believing in the truth-value of that premise.


Can't think of even 1 thing can you?

Of course I can. The first thing that differs betwen liberals and communists is the BASIS OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNIST PHILOSOPHY.

Liberals are not "lassiez-faire" capitalists, but they are capitalists nonetheless. While some boundaries are needed, the basic principles of Adam Smith are still at the core of a healthy economy. Working without it is a planning nightmare and usually leads to oppressive restrictions on individual freedom. Liberals know this cannot be done successfully or morally.

Want more?

 

[gnome]

Communists do challenge the status quo. Wouldn't that make them liberal by your own definition?

No. Liberals challenge the status quo, but favor change within the system. Communism advocates tearing down the system and replacing it, placing it in the "Radical" corner.

 

[Theodore Kurita]

No. Liberals challenge the status quo, but favor change within the system. Communism advocates tearing down the system and replacing it, placing it in the "Radical" corner.

True.

However, there are some systems that are in the radical corner that aren't like that.

Anarcho-Syndicalism comes to mind.

Change from the inside out, not the outside in.

 

[Nasarius]

True.

However, there are some systems that are in the radical corner that aren't like that.

Anarcho-Syndicalism comes to mind.

Change from the inside out, not the outside in.

There are degrees of liberalism and radicalism of course, as there are degrees of everything. To say that liberal = communist is like saying conservative = fascist. It's just stupid.