Ebola in America

My friend came back from a visit to the Democratic Republic of Congo - the birthplace of Ebola. We played soccer and I'm sure I shook his sweaty hands after the game was over.

Should I be concerned over Ebola because he was wearing the DRC national team jersey?
 
Overcautious quarantine is not "treating people like criminals".

Overzealous, irrational quarantining of people who aren't infectious by holding them in pens without their own clothes or personal effects is treating them like criminals, especially when they're threatened with police action even though they pose no immediate threat to anyone.

Now that that straw is out of the way, let's face it: these people choose to go. It's not as if the affected areas in Africa are begging for American doctors and nurses because they don't have enough already, or African doctors and nurses are incompetent.

Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea are absolutely begging for medical help from anyone and everyone willing to come. They very much need the help that they are just now starting to get from the US and UK governments. They are thrilled to be getting 150 doctors and nurses being sent by Cuba.

African doctors and nurses are not incompetent. However, Africa has roughly 15% of the world's population but only 3% of the world's health care workers. The vast majority of them are located in wealthier industrialized countries like Egypt, Morocco, South Africa, and Kenya. Liberia only had 200 doctors for their 4 million citizens before the outbreak began. Between those who've died from Ebola and those who fled in fear, there are 50 Liberian doctors left. The situation isn't significantly better in Sierra Leone. Plus, a lot of the hospitals and clinics in the most heavily afflicted areas of those countries don't have running water, soap, or bleach. It is beyond dispute that the Ebola affected nations need health care workers, beds, and medical and sanitation supplies.

So why do they go? A) religious do gooders and B) people who know it'll receive more praise than its actual value when it's on their resume. We have plenty of places they can work here in this country... but that's not spicy enough.

They go for one simple reason: because they are desperately needed. Quite frankly, if you honestly didn't know that Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea are dangerously low on health care workers and supplies and are actively begging for help, you are in no position to be throwing accusations at the people who have gone and risked their lives to contain this epidemic. Yes, there are people in America who need medical care but there isn't a raging, acute viral epidemic amongst the poor that if it doesn't get contained soon will kill tens of thousands of people by New Years. Africa needs them more right now.
 
My friend came back from a visit to the Democratic Republic of Congo - the birthplace of Ebola. We played soccer and I'm sure I shook his sweaty hands after the game was over.

Should I be concerned over Ebola because he was wearing the DRC national team jersey?

I don't know. Was he looking peaked? What part of the DRC did he visit? ...and when did he get back? Do you know where he got his jersey?

The current Ebola outbreak in the Congo is apparently only about three months old and so doesn't seem to be too widespread at the moment. It seems they may even have it contained thus far.

"The outbreak was still contained in Jeera county in the Boende region."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo_Ebola_virus_outbreak

It's also supposedly a different species than the one in the current big West African outbreak.
 
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I should have read a little farther. In a little over two weeks, if there are no new reported cases, the DRC should be declared Ebola free. The last reported case tested negative for the virus for the second time a few weeks ago and was discharged.
 
In a report I saw, the doctors in Africa quit using their special suits when they went into villages looking for Ebola victims because they tended to scare people. Instead, they would just make sure they stayed several feet away from everyone so they would be out of range of any sort of fluids that might come there way - like potential projectile vomiting.

Why are these people eating projectiles? Is that an African thing?
 
Sorry I didn't respond sooner.

But the article you quoted described why those medical personnel were affected. No protective equipment. Misdiagnosis. Dealing with very sick, symptomatic, people, without medical equipment, thinking that they are dealing with malaria until it's too late.

...but that is the reason I quoted the title of and linked to the article - and my actual point. With the first case to be diagnosed here in the U.S., the circumstances ended up being quite similar in some ways. Initially the fellow here was NOT properly diagnosed, either, and was even sent home because his symptoms were apparently not out of the ordinary for illnesses that are normally seen here, and somewhere and somehow along the way he also ended up infecting two health care workers himself.

If Ebola does become an issue here in the U.S., then, and so the odds of an exposure do increase to a significant level, at some point doctors and other medical care professionals may need to decide whether they will want to don their special suits (if they even yet have them), not just after the patient has already been diagnosed, but before the patient has even been thoroughly examined.

I don't think a doctor would really want to stick a tongue depressor into the mouth of someone with Ebola symptoms or to have that patient cough for him - without, of course, that special suit on.

This potentially deadly virus, though perhaps not as easy to spread as some other more common viruses, is still apparently easier to spread than let's say HIV, and since also a surprise cough or sneeze or projectile vomiting might be a bit harder to fend off than the surprise butt sex, it really does need to be treated with more caution (as we do probably agree). Those who have been working with African patients, of course, certainly know all this already - or that's at least what news reports and documentaries on the subject and other sources of information have led me to believe.

And I agree that an abundance of caution is necessary, but I think there is a real need to balance that against the burden we would place on those who are working to fight this disease. Is there any reason to believe that milder protocols are inadequate?

I keep going back to the same thought about these quarantines that some here, and Governor Christie, have called for. Either they are unnecessary, or they are inadequate.

If this disease is such a threat that it is necessary to call for strict quarantines for three weeks even in the absence of symptoms and a negative test for presence of the virus, then that must mean it is easily transmissible and lesser measures would not keep us safe. If that is the case, then the existence of several thousand cases in Africa would represent the beginning of a pandemic that is a global threat. People will flee that region and the disease will be transmitted, and it won't be so easy to identify high risk people like Craig Spencer or Kaci Hickox. While we might be able to identify and quarantine a few medical workers, we cannot identify and quarantine the thousands of other people who come in contact with Ebola carriers who are asymptomatic.

And if that is the case, if this disease is that deadly, and that difficult to contain, then there is one, clear, obvious thing that needs to be done to protect the American people. We must fight the disease vigorously in Africa. Only that way do we have any hope of preventing widespread infection in America. Anyone who demands strict quarantines ought to also be demanding vigorous control of the disease in Africa.


Or, perhaps the disease is easily stopped with measures less than what Governor Christie has imposed. If that is the case, then containing it is not as difficult. The need for vigorous control in Africa would be a humanitarian need, but not necessarily a requirement to keep the people of America safe.

Which all means that if people were behaving rationally, there ought to be a strong correlation between people demanding strict quarantines, and people demanding vigorous containment of the disease in Africa. However, that's not the case. If anything, there is an anti-correlation. Those who are most demanding of the tightest controls in America are the most critical of either public or private efforts to control the disease in Africa. Why is that?

I believe your questions and your speculation is valid.

In that this virus and this particular outbreak of this virus are both unprecedented, I suspect we are going to have to just learn as we go, for there just isn't much data yet on how efficiently Ebola can spread in larger populations under different conditions than those seen in small African villages, of course.

It would be nice to think that the efforts of international teams of doctors up to now were for the sole purpose of looking out after the few poor individuals in their isolated villages in Africa who were unfortunate enough to be the victims of earlier Ebola outbreaks, but was that realistically what was happening?

...of course not. Africans are dying all the time of countless diseases, unfortunately. Some are (or at least often are) in some locations there also killing each other by the tens of thousands, again unfortunately.

International teams of doctors were seeking out the Ebola outbreaks not only to study a new virus but to contain the outbreaks as best they could in these isolated villages as they became aware of just how serious the consequences could ultimately be if this virus got out of control - and, yes, even for the world at large.

They were trying to keep it from reaching a major population center out of legitimate concern, if not actual fear, of how easily and widely it might be spread - and, of course, now we are just beginning to see whether or not THEIR concerns and perhaps fears were actually justified, since many of them, of course, were watching people die in front of them and often even to include some of their own colleagues.

Until we have a vaccine that we know is effective in giving us an immunity to this virus, really all we can try to do, then, is what doctors have been trying to do all along and keep the virus contained to wherever it happens to be at any given time while also essentially experimenting on people to try to come up with more effective treatments so as to hopefully save more of them, and while not precluding any appropriate and necessary transportation to properly equipped medical care facilities, of course. Oh, did I say, and work on that vaccine?

In this on-the-move, well connected modern world of ours, any major outbreak probably has the potential to spread out of control, and so I agree that Africa needs help and even for the reasons you suggested, and especially considering some of the disturbing conditions in some places there.

By coincidence I recently watched a video showing what it is like in parts of civil war torn Liberia, which just happens to be one of the countries affected by this latest outbreak. It showed one of the crowded slums with the sewage and the garbage in the streets. It showed the numerous piles of human poop on the beach. It told of the rags used by the prostitutes to just wipe off between customers in one of the brothels.

In it also, though, was interviewed a born again Christian - and a man who had previously been a cannibal and soldier who had killed a child before each of his battles and eaten their hearts and drunk their blood while sharing both with others, of course, so that he could feel invincible while running naked into battle - with "Butt Naked" even then becoming his nickname. That particular "communion meal," if you will, was more of just a pre-war magic ritual than what I assume would have been his normal cannibalistic meals, since he said he had also eaten quite a few (I also assume adult and cooked) people.

He did seem to be a changed man, however, and was actually helping some of the former boy soldiers who used to be his own enemies. He spoke of having to make amends for his former sinful ways, as of course any good Christian would know to do. He even spoke of a more recent incident in which he actually felt compelled to report a person who had served him some meat - when he said he noticed the familiar taste of human flesh. ...which it seems some people may even still be serving up and partaking of in some parts there. A boy in the video did say that human flesh was quite tastey, come to think of it.

Liberia was apparently a former U.S. colony repatriated and run by freed and returned African-American slaves. That, though, was long before the more recent civil wars, of course, when the oppressed ("true African?") native majority decided that there needed to be an uprising and change, I guess.

Anyway, it was quite the enlightening video and Butt Naked even seemed to be a rather effective preacher who could probably hang with the best. At least some people there, including some who could have been relatives of those he had killed in battle (and maybe even eaten?), seemed to think so as they repeatedly blessed him and lavished him with praise.

Oh, and some who were interviewed expressed the feeling that war could break out again at anytime. The video may have been a few years old, however. So, maybe things have improved? Anyway, I went into a little extra detail there to show just how crazy and dirty and out of control and almost surreal the whole situation seems to be there in some locations.

Considering things like this, I sure hope medical researchers are getting pretty close with that Ebola vaccine, and if even just for the sake of Africans, of course. Hopefully, the possibly more effective treatment methods being tried here, too, can be used there also to help save some of the currently and probably soon to be afflicted since the current death rate seems to be about 71%.

For those who want to put their "faith" in the current "science" and the "scientists," however, I would point out that what is happening now - at least in Africa - is what the brave doctors and scientists working with Ebola in Africa have been trying to prevent all along.

I highly suspect it might be due to them being lacking in resources and even the research funds to help them in developing that effective vaccine. I might have even heard such things somewhere. Those in Africa probably now need more resources than ever, so hopefully voices of reason will indeed be louder than the voices of those in denial or those who are paranoid or, of course, the wonderfully divisive political whores.

Maybe instead of scientists now trying to allay people's fears, it might be wise of them and even time for them to play the politician themselves and actually use those fears. "See, this is what we tried to warn people of when we couldn't get enough help and funding before!" "Now, we will need (some near astronomical number) times what we were asking for previously!"

I guess it's evolution, though, and we're still just a part of the big ongoing experiment.
 
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Cross-posted from the other Ebola thread.
From the Editorial of the current issue of The Lancet.
Media interest in the Ebola outbreak raging through west Africa has not, so far, been widely discussed or studied. In a world online, news is available 24/7. Coverage of Ebola has, understandably, been prolific, but sometimes also narrow and unbalanced. In the USA, for example, disproportionate airtime has been given to the nine confirmed American cases of Ebola compared with the massive human crisis unfolding in Liberia, Guinea, and Sierra Leone. In even reputable news outlets—eg, CNN—a wall-to-wall “breaking news” culture has inevitably contributed to a sense of (unnecessary) domestic political panic.

In the UK, tabloid reporting has often been poorly informed by science and unhelpful coverage can contribute to public confusion and misinformation. Some sources have shared accurate guidance aimed at those most in need, such as the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the BBC's WhatsApp Ebola service. But, overall, the media has tended to encourage substantial misunderstanding about the risks of exposure and where the real threat and causes of Ebola lie.

Analysis of social media traffic also tells a story of unbalance. During October, there were 21 037 331 tweets about Ebola in the USA, compared with 13 480 about Ebola in Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone combined. Yet around 5000 deaths and 14 000 cases in west Africa show that the epidemic continues to dominate at source in these countries, contrary to the media footprint of Ebola.
 
Meanwhile, the New Yorker offers a great explanation for the sudden stop in Ebola coverage by Fox News :)

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/fox-news-ends-ebola-coverage-work-done

Fox News announced on Wednesday that it is terminating its coverage of the Ebola virus effective immediately, because, in the words of the host Sean Hannity, “Our work is done."

Hannity added that if there is an Ebola outbreak in the U.S., Fox would offer in-depth coverage of the crisis, probably in the fall of 2016.
 
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:D

But what about all the people who bought gold in anticipation of the world ending?


:boxedin:
They'll turn it all into Iraqi Dinar for that revaluation that's "just around the corner".
 
Meanwhile, the New Yorker offers a great explanation for the sudden stop in Ebola coverage by Fox News :)

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/fox-news-ends-ebola-coverage-work-done
But how does that explain it also used to be all over the main network stations. At least out here in NY but it has since subsided. All these networks need something to keep the viewer coming back. Keeping them on edge is a good method.

While I don't doubt lets try to make President Obama look bad had a part in FOX's coverage I think the election results, lack of any new Ebola cases, the dreaded polar vortex and the fact that viewers quickly want something new played a big part in the cutback.
 
But how does that explain it also used to be all over the main network stations. At least out here in NY but it has since subsided. All these networks need something to keep the viewer coming back. Keeping them on edge is a good method.
Yes, both used Ebola to try and increase ratings. The difference is Fox gave the Republican crazy's airtime to talk about how kids were crossing the boarder with Ebola and it's Obama's fault for that and the CDC reaction, etc. etc.

Bottom line.

Media other then Fox - Ebola is here and we're doomed.
Fox - Ebola is here, we're doomed and it's Obama's fault.
 
Or maybe the uproar has died down because there is nothing to report. No new arrivals, no new cases, and all of the latency periods have lapsed without any contagion.
 
Or maybe the uproar has died down because there is nothing to report. No new arrivals, no new cases, and all of the latency periods have lapsed without any contagion.

Here you go again with all that logic and critical thinking...
 
Seeing as how the nation's last Ebola case seems to have been cured, I would like to take a moment to reflect on how the news media handled the Ebola coverage over the past couple of months.

*Ahem*


Ebola's reached our homeland now, and that's the reason why
We have to seal our borders, or else we'll all surely die!
Most of us will catch it, of that there can be no doubt
Your organs will be liquefied, you'll **** your guts right out!

The CDC's informed us it's a fearsome fierce disease
Your life may be in danger every time you hear a sneeze
So flail your arms about and scream your little heads right off
And fly into conniptions every time somebody coughs

The government might take a while to get this plague contained
So here's what you should know for now, until Ebola wanes
It came from Western Africa and spread across the sea
Those backwards third-world nations there are all the same to me

As long as it remained there it was easy to ignore
But then it had to piggyback its way onto our shores
We could have simply waited for Ebola to die off
But now that it's spread here, well, that won't nearly be enough

The workers volunteering in those places are to blame
Upon returning they brought back contagion when they came
Although she shows no symptoms, we must quarantine that nurse
And treat her like she's brought back with her some demonic curse

It's all Obama's fault, he could have stopped it in its tracks
It's taken root, it's too late now, there is no going back
A handful of initial cases could soon multiply
There's no way we can know how many millions are to die

There is no cure! If you come down with it, you'll soon be dead
You'd better stock up while you can before Ebola spreads
You'll need a Hazmat suit before you venture out of doors
And Lysol, bleach, and sanitizer; check your local stores

Be careful if you're yawning while in any public place
Lest someone take a diarrhea dump right in your face
And should you come across a pile of puke upon the ground
Resist the urge to scoop it up and scarf that vomit down

Whenever you encounter anyone who says they're sick
Please keep your distance, don't give them a big fat sloppy lick
And with infected people, please abstain from having sex
Don't drink their blood or urine, otherwise you could be next

We hope you heed our message and have soaked up all our fear
But coverage will cease for the remainder of the year
Ebola outbreaks happen rarely, this one's almost done
We really couldn't give a damn now that the midterm's won.


-Brought to you by Fox News-
 
Seeing as how the nation's last Ebola case seems to have been cured, I would like to take a moment to reflect on how the news media handled the Ebola coverage over the past couple of months.

*Ahem*


Ebola's reached our homeland now, and that's the reason why
We have to seal our borders, or else we'll all surely die!
Most of us will catch it, of that there can be no doubt
Your organs will be liquefied, you'll **** your guts right out!

The CDC's informed us it's a fearsome fierce disease
Your life may be in danger every time you hear a sneeze
So flail your arms about and scream your little heads right off
And fly into conniptions every time somebody coughs

The government might take a while to get this plague contained
So here's what you should know for now, until Ebola wanes
It came from Western Africa and spread across the sea
Those backwards third-world nations there are all the same to me

As long as it remained there it was easy to ignore
But then it had to piggyback its way onto our shores
We could have simply waited for Ebola to die off
But now that it's spread here, well, that won't nearly be enough

The workers volunteering in those places are to blame
Upon returning they brought back contagion when they came
Although she shows no symptoms, we must quarantine that nurse
And treat her like she's brought back with her some demonic curse

It's all Obama's fault, he could have stopped it in its tracks
It's taken root, it's too late now, there is no going back
A handful of initial cases could soon multiply
There's no way we can know how many millions are to die

There is no cure! If you come down with it, you'll soon be dead
You'd better stock up while you can before Ebola spreads
You'll need a Hazmat suit before you venture out of doors
And Lysol, bleach, and sanitizer; check your local stores

Be careful if you're yawning while in any public place
Lest someone take a diarrhea dump right in your face
And should you come across a pile of puke upon the ground
Resist the urge to scoop it up and scarf that vomit down

Whenever you encounter anyone who says they're sick
Please keep your distance, don't give them a big fat sloppy lick
And with infected people, please abstain from having sex
Don't drink their blood or urine, otherwise you could be next

We hope you heed our message and have soaked up all our fear
But coverage will cease for the remainder of the year
Ebola outbreaks happen rarely, this one's almost done
We really couldn't give a damn now that the midterm's won.


-Brought to you by Fox News-

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Nominated.
 

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