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Merged Due process in the US

Hercules56 said:
If his life was in SUCH danger, why did he wait till after he was busted for illegally working in the USA, almost a decade after coming here illegally, to FINALLY seek asylum?

Something doesn't add up.

Either he was in danger and simply can't get his ◊◊◊◊ together to apply for asylum, or he was NEVER in real danger but simply decided to make it up after he was busted, to avoid getting kicked out of the USA and sent home.

Even if he was in real danger, and simply couldn't get his ◊◊◊◊ together to finally seek asylum, he still came here illegally and still worked here illegally for years. Did he pay income tax? Or was he completely cash under the table?

This all matters to me as if we should make any special extra to bring him back from his homeland, or just ask nicely and give up if they say "nope".


If he did pay taxes, was a safe and good member of the community, then yeah let's make a special effort to try to bring him back. Good people who try their best deserve such treatment.
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Why do you repeat the same irrelevant comments over and over again? A court has decided that he should not be deported, or imprisoned, and it is entirely possible for the U.S. government to correct the error and ask the Salvadorean government to hand him over. He is imprisoned solely because the the U.S. government has asked the Salvadorean government to do so, and the U.S. pays for it. The least that can done is to stop paying for it.

There is also the question of compensation for the injustice that has been done.

And don’t tell us again that he should be where he is because you don’t find him a valuable member of the society: it is irrelevant, because every injustice should be righted.

It is remarkable that we even have to discuss this, because any government should try to correct its mistakes, and not just find excuses to let the man rot.
 
steenkh said:
Why do you repeat the same irrelevant comments over and over again? A court has decided that he should not be deported, or imprisoned, and it is entirely possible for the U.S. government to correct the error and ask the Salvadorean government to hand him over. He is imprisoned solely because the the U.S. government has asked the Salvadorean government to do so, and the U.S. pays for it. The least that can done is to stop paying for it.

There is also the question of compensation for the injustice that has been done.

And don’t tell us again that he should be where he is because you don’t find him a valuable member of the society: it is irrelevant, because every injustice should be righted.

It is remarkable that we even have to discuss this, because any government should try to correct its mistakes, and not just find excuses to let the man rot.
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State of the USA, April 2025, colourized:

Mafia boss: Yes, yes, we asked the hitmen to hunt down, kidnap, and torture this guy. We shouldn't have. It was an accident. So sorry. Nothing to be done about it now. Sometimes you just gotta let bygones be bygones. Forgive and forget, that's what I say.
Justice system: Release him immediately.
Mafia boss: Oh, but you see, we don't control the hitmen, we just hired them. They are free people with free will. If we asked them to release him then for all we know they wouldn't. Don't see the point in even trying, tbh.
Justice system: But we know you're still sending them regular payments to keep hiding and torturing him!
Mafia boss: Shut up! You don't have the authority to tell us what to do! The mafia doesn't answer to the cops! Shoo! Go away before I sic our goons on you!
 
If El Salvador decided to return the Maryland father mistakenly deported to the country’s mega-prison, the US would “provide a plane” due to a Supreme Court ruling, US Attorney General Pam Bondi said Monday.

The Trump administration has said Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia was sent to El Salvador in March due to an “administrative error.” The administration claims he is a ranking member of the MS-13 gang, but his lawyers and family have rejected those claims.

“Additional paperwork had needed to be done. That’s up to El Salvador if they want to return him. That’s not up to us. The Supreme Court ruled that if El Salvador wants to return him … we would facilitate it: meaning, provide a plane,” Bondi said today in the Oval Office as President Donald Trump met with his Salvadoran counterpart, Nayib Bukele.

 
Hercules56 said:
If El Salvador decided to return the Maryland father mistakenly deported to the country’s mega-prison, the US would “provide a plane” due to a Supreme Court ruling, US Attorney General Pam Bondi said Monday.

The Trump administration has said Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia was sent to El Salvador in March due to an “administrative error.” The administration claims he is a ranking member of the MS-13 gang, but his lawyers and family have rejected those claims.

“Additional paperwork had needed to be done. That’s up to El Salvador if they want to return him. That’s not up to us. The Supreme Court ruled that if El Salvador wants to return him … we would facilitate it: meaning, provide a plane,” Bondi said today in the Oval Office as President Donald Trump met with his Salvadoran counterpart, Nayib Bukele.

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Why do they care what the courts say now? Courts have no say in issues like this. No courts don't matter to the dear leader or you.
 
Hercules56 said:
If El Salvador decided to return the Maryland father mistakenly deported to the country’s mega-prison . . .
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As I posted upthread.
Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele said Monday that he did not plan to return to Kilmar Abrego García to the United States. “How can I return him to the United States?” Bukele asked Monday during a meeting with President Donald Trump in the Oval Office. “I smuggle him into the United States? Of course I’m not going to do it.” The comments come a day after the Justice Department told a federal judge that it isn’t required to bring home a Maryland man mistakenly deported to El Salvador. Since Bukele struck a deal with Trump’s administration, he has accepted more than 200 Venezuelans deported from the U.S. in recent months and housed them in his country’s draconian mega-prison.
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Hercules56 said:
I think as an American I know just a tad more about our government's authorities and responsibilities, than you.
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If the government isn't held to the law and due process on this why would they think they need to follow due process or take any account of the courts when they start sending US citizens to their foreign concentration camps by mistake?
 
Free ticket only for the outboubnd flight. Trump not flying him back in.
megancollinswriter
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All this after a judge AND the Supreme Court ordered Trump to bring Kilmar home. The Trump admin says they're interpreting that order as meaning they must allow Kilmar back into the US "if he makes his way out of El Salvador," which nullifies Bukele's "smuggle him into the US" argument. The people in charge of these countries are playing dumb and perpetuating violence. Elected officials should join MD Senator Van Hollen in his plan to fly to El Salvador and DEMAND Kilmar's release. 3/3
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All this after a judge AND the Supreme Court ordered Trump to bring Kilmar home. The Trump admin says they're interpreting that order as meaning they must allow Kilmar back into the US "if he makes his way out of El Salvador," which nullifies Bukele's "smuggle him into the US" argument. The...
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Tero said:
Free ticket only for the outboubnd flight. Trump not flying him back in.
megancollinswriter
3h
All this after a judge AND the Supreme Court ordered Trump to bring Kilmar home. The Trump admin says they're interpreting that order as meaning they must allow Kilmar back into the US "if he makes his way out of El Salvador," which nullifies Bukele's "smuggle him into the US" argument. The people in charge of these countries are playing dumb and perpetuating violence. Elected officials should join MD Senator Van Hollen in his plan to fly to El Salvador and DEMAND Kilmar's release. 3/3
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Megan Collins (@megancollinswriter) on Threads

All this after a judge AND the Supreme Court ordered Trump to bring Kilmar home. The Trump admin says they're interpreting that order as meaning they must allow Kilmar back into the US "if he makes his way out of El Salvador," which nullifies Bukele's "smuggle him into the US" argument. The...
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AG Bondi said they would provide a plane to bring him back to the USA from his homeland if he is let out of the jail.

Clearly the WH needs to get their story straight. If they even have one, which I doubt.
 
So the status for Kilmar is that the Trump administration is willing to take him back on a plane if he can somehow get out of El Salvador, and Bukele is of the opinion that he would have to be smuggled into the States, because the U.S. does not want him.

There is no actual diplomatic problem, just the practical problem that Trump does not want to rectify the mistake.
 
Tero said:
Free ticket only for the outboubnd flight. Trump not flying him back in.
megancollinswriter
3h
All this after a judge AND the Supreme Court ordered Trump to bring Kilmar home. The Trump admin says they're interpreting that order as meaning they must allow Kilmar back into the US "if he makes his way out of El Salvador," which nullifies Bukele's "smuggle him into the US" argument. The people in charge of these countries are playing dumb and perpetuating violence. Elected officials should join MD Senator Van Hollen in his plan to fly to El Salvador and DEMAND Kilmar's release. 3/3
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Megan Collins (@megancollinswriter) on Threads

All this after a judge AND the Supreme Court ordered Trump to bring Kilmar home. The Trump admin says they're interpreting that order as meaning they must allow Kilmar back into the US "if he makes his way out of El Salvador," which nullifies Bukele's "smuggle him into the US" argument. The...
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Party of Law and Order.

*snicker*
 
steenkh said:
So the status for Kilmar is that the Trump administration is willing to take him back on a plane if he can somehow get out of El Salvador, and Bukele is of the opinion that he would have to be smuggled into the States, because the U.S. does not want him.

There is no actual diplomatic problem, just the practical problem that Trump does not want to rectify the mistake.
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He is also testing to see hom much he can get away with.
 
steenkh said:
So the status for Kilmar is that the Trump administration is willing to take him back on a plane if he can somehow get out of El Salvador, and Bukele is of the opinion that he would have to be smuggled into the States, because the U.S. does not want him.

There is no actual diplomatic problem, just the practical problem that Trump does not want to rectify the mistake.
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AG Bondi said if they let him out of the prison the USA will fly him back to the USA.
 
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